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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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There isn't a real solution. Just an opportunity for a few years of peace where people can do the important things in life. That is no small thing though. The danger is in chasing some quixotic nationalist dream. That is never ever going to work out.

Well the real solution is to have a single state and assimilation of some kind, so that people can coexist. It’s possible. Israel itself demonstrates this since nearly 30% of the population isn’t Jewish. But I think a peaceful two state coexistence is unlikely with people who chant “from the River to sea”, which implies the complete erasure of the state of Israel.

> Israel itself demonstrates this since nearly 30% of the population isn’t Jewish

Israel also has a law that says that the right of self-determination only belongs to its Jewish citizens- it calls itself the Jewish state. I would be entirely for a one-state solution with equal rights for everyone, but that thing cannot be Israel.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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It is incredibly interesting how the US (and Germany) have put so much into Israel and associated groups they really don't want it to fail (despite the Israeli gov doing their damnest to facilitate just that). In my understanding Israel, in the eyes of the US, is a convenient "wedge" in the Arab space that allows for easier power projection in the area, plus they have a healthy amount of zionists close to money and power at home. I imagine the political calculus of if and how to support it is ridiculously difficult.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

For me, this is meaningful because for the first time a legitimate international body is calling this a genocide. Previously, it’s been activists and claims that this might be genocide. I haven’t read the report yet. But I will, and I intend to leave my mind open as to whether this raises the profile of this war in my mind relative to domestic issues.

Go look at the report and the org and the people in it.

There is nothing "legitimate" about it.

The head of this alleged body is a staunch anti-Israel activist who is not taken seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navi_Pillay#Israel-Gaza_confli...

"On 25 July 2014, the United States Congress published a letter addressed to Pillay by over 100 members in which the signatories asserted that the Human Rights Council "cannot be taken seriously as a human rights organisation" over their handling of the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict "

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Surely if a surrender takes place, it will be merely symbolic. I cannot imagine anyone can convince a population so terrorized to forgive or forget.

Japanese civilians experienced far worse in WW2, and they forgot pretty quickly. The war against the Tamil Tigers would be another case study. Once the radicalism is dealt with by force, the ratcheting of violence is reduced, and people move on.

> Japanese civilians experienced far worse in WW2, and they forgot pretty quickly

Because the vast majority of the Japanese people barely faced any kind of obstacles in the same way Palestinians are facing. Yes, they had food shortages and their wooden homes were bombed constantly to oblivion, and they suffered a couple of nuclear blasts, but that was because their history lessons teach their WW2 as something in which they were the aggressor (with Pearl Harbor, not the invasions of China and Korea). In Palestine's case, it will take much longer to wipe out that resentment. Besides, Palestinians aren't the "radicals" here.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #190

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I wouldn't label this as "support for Israel"/"against Israel". One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach. Many within Israel are not happy with Netanyahu's methods, and presumably they are not against Israel. I understand that that's the current shorthand, but it seems inaccurate and unnecessarily polarizing to me.

This isn't right, though it can feel like an option when you are looking for a solution that doesn't make you feel bad. Zionism is the idea of colonial occupation. The internal logic will always end in ethnic cleansing. It did in 1948. It's doing it now. American Manifest Destiny had a similar function, and it also resulted in massive genocide for which we have not atoned. Zionism is done. A secular democratic state…

> As a Jew, I don't think Arabs should pay for Germany's crimes.

Germany no, but the Arab states should definitely pay for ethnically cleansing the Mizrahi Jews who currently make up a majority of Israeli Jews.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #474

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What you are describing is collective punishment. It is a war crime.

Is it? Please link it. Spouting talking points is pointless. This is a war.

Article 33 of the Geneva Convention 4.

> This is a war.

Yes. That’s what the Geneva convention is for.

You’re welcome.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I see a lot of comments here are about how other countries should react to this designation, rightfully so. I wonder also though, how Israel will react. Is this anything new for them?

Same cards they always play:

- our enemies are Hamas sympathisers

- our enemies are secretly Hamas members OR

- it's antisemitism

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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For some reason, I don't see this news mentioned on any mainstream media across the political spectrum (Al Jazeera --> Guardian --> BBC --> CNN / NYT / NPR --> Fox News). Could be that I just missed it, but seems odd.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c...
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