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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by buyucu »

wonderwonder wrote: post #54
oulipo wrote: post #11

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Is there anything that could be done to stop this? Anything that a hypothetical terrorist organization that raped and murdered 1,000 men, women and children could give back that would lead to an immediate ceasefire? If only there was but I guess we will never know as I am sure there is not an organization so evil that while claiming to represent its people gleefully causes their deaths. An organization so evil that i…

Israeli military has murdered way more than 1000 men, women and children. History didn't start in 2023.

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Post by shkkmo »

halflife wrote: post #506
rajup wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Native Americans?

Is there a movement for native Americans sovereignty?

I wouldn't call it a "movement" but rather a limited legal framework based on agreements.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_Unit...

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Post by tome »

fahhem wrote: post #551
ashoeafoot wrote: post #516

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Who de-escalated the 12 day war? Iran did, the "Ayatollahs". Who has a religious decree against nuclear weapons since they cannot be used without massacring civilians? Iran, the Ayatollah, not Israel and it's 3 digits of nukes that it threatens to use all the time.

> Who has a religious decree against nuclear weapons since they cannot be used without massacring civilians?

Did Iran kill any civilians when they bombarded Israel with ballistic missiles a few weeks ago?

> Israel and it's 3 digits of nukes that it threatens to use all the time.

When did Israel threaten to use nukes?

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Post by dang »

slt2021 wrote: post #460
tptacek wrote: post #405

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Say whatever you will, but it remains the case that a plurality of Israeli Jewish people are of MENA origin --- Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Tunisia.

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> until ashkeNazis from Europe showed up in Palestine and brought terror[3] and antisemitism with them

WTF? You can't do this here. If you do it again we will ban you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by halflife »

lawlessone wrote: post #563
halflife wrote: post #558

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What are you talking about? the original commenter rejected the idea of a Jewish state because ethno states are bad. I made a counter claim. I’d be happy to live next to a Palestinian country, if it will recognize Israel as a Jewish state, and be a peaceful neighbor. Unfortunately, they reject the idea of 2 states, or they want 2 states where 1 is Palestinian, and the other is paletwith a Jewish minority.

>I’d be happy to live next to a Palestinian country, if it will recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Not sure i'd be happy to live next to a neighbor illegally occupying my former house.

Are you talking about native Americans? Germans that used to live in Poland? Jews that used to live in Syria? Israelis that lived in Sinai before it was returned to Egypt? Mexicans that lived Texas? Australian aboriginals? Inuits in Canada? How about the one million afghans Iran just expelled?

If you’re not happy, that’s on you. Time moves on, you need to accept the existence of the Israeli state.

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Post by wonderwonder »

carefulfungi wrote: post #189
wonderwonder wrote: post #143

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Do you have children?

Yes. And I don't teach them to cause unlimited suffering for their own benefit.

Of course you don't teach your kids that, never said you should. I would hope that you don't tell them that if it comes down to them or someone else then you would save someone else.

I have always considered my primary job in life is to ensure my children are safe, no matter what. We differ there. Your viewpoint is utterly alien to me.

I wish you well and will call this conversation. All the best.

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

tome wrote: post #435
rafram wrote: post #418

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"Precarious" strikes me as a misleading way to describe a nuclear-armed state (and the only nuclear-armed state in its region).

Do you believe Israel's continued existence is assured?

No, because of their own behaviour. Israel might well lose the support of the USA and Europe, and if that happened the continued existence of their state would be far from certain.

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Post by gopher_space »

bigyabai wrote: post #353
Liron wrote: post #346

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

> why there is no "just stop fighting" option I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that, though I admit I'm not up-to-date on Israeli affairs. Don't the overwhelming majority of outsiders want a two-state solution, or failing that a more secular Israeli administration? Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional…

> Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional peace.

The subtext to this conflict is that every avenue leading towards a lasting peace also opens the Netanyahu regime to prosecution.

Israel isn't an ex-Soviet satellite with a dictator propped up by a cold war giant, but their actions become predictable if you think of the state as Netanyahustan.

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Post by istjohn »

hersko wrote: post #410
gedy wrote: post #371

I don't like these "experiments" as dang called them of allowing Reddit-like rage topics on HN. I can get that elsewhere.

Notice the "experiments" only go one way. Where is the story of the NY Times viral starving child photo retraction on the front page?

By NY Times "retraction," I assume you are referring to this statement:

> Children in Gaza are malnourished and starving, as New York Times reporters and others have documented. We recently ran a story about Gaza’s most vulnerable civilians, including Mohammed Zakaria al-Mutawaq, who is about 18 months old and suffers from severe malnutrition. We have since learned new information, including from the hospital that treated him and his medical records, and have updated our story to add context about his pre-existing health problems. This additional detail gives readers a greater understanding of his situation. Our reporters and photographers continue to report from Gaza, bravely, sensitively, and at personal risk, so that readers can see firsthand the consequences of the war.

I hardly think that constitutes a retraction, nor do "pre-existing conditions" make the image of a starving child any less chilling, for me, personally.

The picture, for anyone curious: https://x.com/CallumHoare_/status/1947770415092314506

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