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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by newsclues »

alganet wrote: post #188
newsclues wrote: post #176

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CPU and GPU compute will be needed for military use processing the vast data from all sorts of sensors. Think about data centres crunching satellite imagery for trenches, fortifications and vehicles.

> satellite imagery for trenches, fortifications and vehicles Dude, you're describing the 80s. We're in 2025. GPUs will be used for automated surveillance, espionage, brainwashing and market manipulation. At least that's what the current batch of technologies implies. The only thing stopping this from becoming a full dystopia is that delicate balance with food and fuel I mentioned earlier. It has become pretty obviou…

2025 Ukraine war.

There are satellites and ISR platforms taking images and data and data centres are processing that information into actionable targets.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by the__alchemist »

sgarland wrote: post #569
KeplerBoy wrote: post #302

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And AoE4, one of the few high profile RTS games of the past years, is dead.

I own all AoE games, and despite having 3 and 4 installed, I don’t think I’ve so much as launched them. Every time I think “I should try this,” I remember I want to try a new strategy in 2 instead.

You and many people.

Give 4 a try! Its multiplayer is excellent. Kind of a hybrid between Starcraft and AoE2 in terms of pacing and civ divergence. (Fewer, more diverse civs)

The archer kiting/dodging mechanic that dominates AoE2 is gone.

I play AoE2, not 4 because that's what my friends play, but 4 is the more interesting one from a strategy perspective. More opportunities to surprise the opponent, use novel strats, go off meta etc.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Yeul »

mathiaspoint wrote: post #120
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

AMD isn't even bad at video games, it's just pytorch that doesn't work so well.

Nvidia is objectively better for anyone who is willing to pay 3k or more for a gaming PC

AMD even admits that they don't want to compete in the high range. I have no loyalty to any company but there is just nothing out there that beats a 5080.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

kbolino wrote: post #539
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #527

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NVIDIA doesn’t make a lot of finished cards for the same reason Intel doesn’t make a lot of motherboards, presumably.

Maybe, but that's not a great analogy. The standardized, user-accessible sockets mean many different CPUs can be paired with many different motherboards. There's also a wide variety of sizes and features in motherboards, plus they have buses for connecting various kinds of peripherals. GPUs have none of this flexibility or extensibility.

Yeah, but you’re missing the specialization angle.

NVIDIA and Intel as companies are specialized in the design (and in the latter case, manufacturing) of chips. Board OEMs are specialized in making a consumer-ready product, maintaining worldwide sales and distribution channels, and consumer relations.

Of course, it wouldn’t be impossible for NVIDIA to start doing these things on their own (see Apple, who designs chips, designs computers around those chips, and operates retail stores where those computers are sold), but presumably NVIDIA prefers the current arrangement, where they can just focus on the chips and leave the rest to OEMs.

See also Intel under Gelsinger, who sold off the NUC and server lines (finished products) to focus on the core business (x86 chips).

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by fithisux »

camel-cdr wrote: post #480
fithisux wrote: post #420

NVidia won? Not for me. I prefer Intel offerings. Open and Linux friendly. I even hope they would release the next gen Risc-V boards with Intel Graphics.

A RISC-V board with NVIDIA graphics is more likely: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/KiV13GqXGMZfZjopY0Xxpg NVIDIA Keynote from the upcoming RISC-V Summit China: "Enabling RISC-V application processors in NVIDIA compute platforms"

Not happy with that.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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surgical_fire wrote: post #331
JeremyNT wrote: post #252

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True for single player, but if you're into multiplayer games anti-cheat is an issue.

If a game requires invasive anticheat, it is probably something I won't enjoy playing. Most likely the game will be full of cheaters anyway. And yes, I rarely play anything online multiplayer.

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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by frollogaston »

imtringued wrote: post #362
frollogaston wrote: post #72

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Yeah, but it's not worth. Apparently the "gold" list on ProtonDB is games that allegedly work with tweaks . So like, drop in this random DLL and it might fix the game. I'm not gonna spend time on that. Last one I ever tried was https://www.protondb.com/app/813780 with comments like "works perfectly, except multiplayer is completely broken" and the workaround has changed 3 times so far, also it lags no matter what. Ga…

You're not supposed to "steal DLLs". You're supposed to find a proton fork like "glorious eggroll" that has patches specifically for your game.

This is a perfect example of the "small" tweaks people fail to mention when saying games work fine in Linux.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by frainfreeze »

mindslight wrote: post #465
rectang wrote: post #460

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When titles are changed, the intent as I understand it is to nudge discussion towards thoughtful exchange. Discussion is forever threatening to spin out of control towards flame wars and the moderators work hard to prevent that. I think that if you want to understand why it might be helpful to change the title, consider how well "NVIDIA is full of shit" follows the HN comment guidelines. I don't imagine you will agre…

I agree with your explanation, but I think it's a hollow rationale. "Full of shit" is a bit aggressive and divisive, but the thesis is in the open and there is plenty of room to expand on it in the actual post. Whereas "Nvidia won" is actually just as divisive and in a way has more implied aggression (of a fait accompli), it's just cloaked in using less vulgar language.

Front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44482522

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Ashkee »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

Sticking with AMD GPUs has worked well for me, especially since switching to Linux. If you want to keep track of your gaming and hobby spending without stress, using Loyally AI to monitor your habits helped me stay balanced. It’s easier to step back and focus on what really matters.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by kbolino »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #574
kbolino wrote: post #539

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Maybe, but that's not a great analogy. The standardized, user-accessible sockets mean many different CPUs can be paired with many different motherboards. There's also a wide variety of sizes and features in motherboards, plus they have buses for connecting various kinds of peripherals. GPUs have none of this flexibility or extensibility.

Yeah, but you’re missing the specialization angle. NVIDIA and Intel as companies are specialized in the design (and in the latter case, manufacturing) of chips. Board OEMs are specialized in making a consumer-ready product, maintaining worldwide sales and distribution channels, and consumer relations. Of course, it wouldn’t be impossible for NVIDIA to start doing these things on their own (see Apple, who designs chip…

Ironically, Intel's GPU business seems to be entirely in-house. Though maybe it too will get spun off in whole or in part.

As far as nVidia is concerned, they lost the privilege to be treated like a small fabless startup. They are regularly ranked as the highest valued company on the U.S. stock market. They clearly can make and sell the whole card themselves, so having GIGABYTE, ASUS, and co. hang around and take the heat for their business decisions feels pretty scummy. It's also clearly bad for the consumer, as Founders Edition cards actually do sell for MSRP. This partner crap is all an obsolete relic of a bygone era, being drawn out well past its prime.

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