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America’s incarceration rate is in decline

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Post by Spooky23 »

froohmb wrote: post #373
Spooky23 wrote: post #326

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The desire to work and have children is going nowhere. Like Hollywood, the careers are going to go away. The money that lubricates the Bay Area is all from the Middle East now, and the return on in-region labor dollars is declining.

I’m sure the return on in region labor dollars decline that you note is real but is it regional? Where in the US is the return on labor dollars not declining? Housing costs, including taxes, seems to be the big problem in the Bay Area. Workers are still productive, but they require higher pay to offset the demand for housing caused by all the foreign “lubrication” and tech-49ers.

For movies, it’s cheaper to lots of work in Atlanta

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

watwut wrote: post #569
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #530

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Income in this context means trading labor for cash. In the past, huge amounts of household work were done without any such exchange. Today, child raising, cleaning, cooking, provisioning, and more remain unpaid household labor. The people who do that work were not idle 800 years ago, and they are not idle today.

Women and kids would tend to animals and food came directly from the animals. They both would tend the fields when work did not required physical strength - and thre was plenty of such work too. The crafts women did were for sale or trade. They would also sell on the market whatever excess household produced. If we are talking about "centuries" quite a lot of people including men did not worked as in being employed f…

> Being stay at home mom today is mostly battling boredom and demotivation. Or then, making up things to do. It is not the same as milking cows or making cheese.

I was a stay at home parent for my daughter. It was extremely far from battling boredom (except perhaps for first year and a half, if that, and even then anyone who is actually interested in child development will not find it boring) and it was the opposite of demotivating.

Rather than speak in such broad generalizations, I think it would be better to restrict your claims to specific, real stories.

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Post by qingcharles »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #504
qingcharles wrote: post #478

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The whole concept of pretrial detention is fraught with problems. At least in Illinois, the theory is that now most defendants should be able to be free, or on house arrest, until their trial. Illinois doesn't allow bondsmen, which, while it meant you got your bond back† it also meant that, unlike other states, you couldn't pay a smaller amount to a bondsman for him to get you out. So I imagine in Illinois at least,…

>I think the writing is on the wall, though. There has been an absolute ton of hardcore litigation in the last decade on the legality of bail, and the intermediate appellate courts are striking it down. I think this bodes ill, myself. I expect a slowly-but-steadily rising culture that just skips out on trials altogether, because there are no immediate (or even longterm) costs to doing so. Though you might argue that…

One issue is that most bails hearings I saw (and I sat through thousands) in Illinois were basically one-minute affairs with literally zero evidence presented on the person's ability to pay. I've heard that bond hearings in Illinois are now significantly longer and more evidence-based.

The judges were just making emotional decisions based on the heinousness of the crime, the ethnicity of the person, whether their family was in the room supporting them, etc. And the outcome was essentially random and arbitrary.

The cellmate who had the $20K bail set was a completely arbitrary number. It was a victimless offense to do with paperwork. All I did was file FOIA requests to prove no offense had been committed. I was infuriated that the judge reset bail to $200 knowing the guy was clearly innocent, and also knowing he was homeless.

Judges were ordered again and again and again in Illinois to run their bond hearings in a fairer manner, but it never happened.

So we're now in the situation we're in. A lot of detainees are on house arrest, and this is better for their mental health, but also presents enormous problems of their own. If you are ordered released on house arrest, but you have nowhere to go, then you get stuck. If you are on house arrest, often you can't get a job, so how do you pay rent and eat? Often if you're on house arrest the judge won't allow you to even leave to obtain groceries or medicine, which is a problem.

These are hard problems. I don't want to be the one trying to solve them because there is no way to make everyone happy.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

worthless-trash wrote: post #559
worthless-trash wrote: post #292

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> That's not to say they should be allowed to 'get away with it', but we need to take into account that it's not really the same thing as adults doing it. However, they -clearly- do get away with it, continually the current method of punishment is not deterring them from crime. These are not 'oh he made poor decisions style crimes', you're not paying attention or are not living in this area if you think so. I wish i…

For those who are downvoting me, please explain why i'm being downvoted and how your logic translates specifically to the Queensland crime problem.

Queensland isn’t special dude. You are word for word having the exact same thoughts as I’ve heard in Melbourne, England and the USA.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

Tade0 wrote: post #519
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #500

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Newborns keep you up but an all-nighter is a stretch. Also, you're looking after your kid and trying to get them to sleep, not trying to churn out code to get something to market/go to prod.

Both of mine had colic and went through difficult teething. I've pulled all-nighters to deliver something and it's much easier than several weeks of sleepless nights with an infant.

Yeah true getting sick at that age is rough.

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Post by vessenes »

energywut wrote: post #395
vessenes wrote: post #337

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I'm not sure the data backs up your assertion -- in fact, it looks to me like Seattle's crime rate is roughly steady -- and bad -- over the last 20 years. Seattle had the highest burglary rate in the nation of any large city as recently as 2023 (1201 per 100k residents!). https://www.safehome.org/resources/crime-statistics-by-state... from 1999-2018 (most recent I can find a chart for), Violent crime ebbed and flowed…

Look back further - https://images.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/F... In the 80s and 90s, violent crime rates were well above 1000/100k residents, and property crimes 12k/100k.

OK, but that drop occurred roughly when Kurt Cobain died. Since then it hasn't moved that much. I believe you that Belltown is safer than 1993. That's just not that recent!

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Post by dambi0 »

NeutralCrane wrote: post #509
kyo_gisors wrote: post #473

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> There is a readon why us stores have more and more stuff behind locks To foment hysteria in feeble minded neurotics?

Why would stores be interested in fomenting hysteria in feeble minded neurotics?

It could serve as a convenient distraction from rising prices or, more conveniently, risks introduced as a move to less staffing because of self-checkout.

It’s a bit easier to explain away the inconvenience of locked individual items as a response to a rise in crime rather than the store’s choices.

I doubt it’s a direct motivation but that isn’t to say it’s not a useful outcome either.

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Post by dcow »

snowwrestler wrote: post #341
dcow wrote: post #219

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We may have swung the pendulum a little too far towards deliberate, though. The birthrate right now is below replacement rate, meaning that if we keep going like this (even if the birthrate doesn't keep trending down and holds steady) that society will die off. We need to figure out how to build an economy and society that can facilitate deliberate responsible parentage younger and more often. Luckily we have generat…

Birth rates won’t “hold steady” because people don’t die at equal rates. If birth rate is below replacement, old people die off first, the population’s average age goes down every year, and birth rate increases. A society that is producing children will not die off. The U.S. saw over 3.6 millions births in 2024.

> A society that is producing children will not die off.

This isn’t true. Right now each woman has to produce ~2.3 children for a population with no immigration to replace itself every year. This rate changes but can never fall below two, naïvely. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate#Replace...

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Post by worthless-trash »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #574
worthless-trash wrote: post #559

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For those who are downvoting me, please explain why i'm being downvoted and how your logic translates specifically to the Queensland crime problem.

Queensland isn’t special dude. You are word for word having the exact same thoughts as I’ve heard in Melbourne, England and the USA.

I really don't think so. I've travelled and lived abroad. But maybe you have and can tell me how its the same. I would think you can't even begin to imagine the crimes that i'm talking about.

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Post by [deleted] »

tclancy wrote: post #465
leptons wrote: post #56

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Availability of pornography has cut down the rate of rapes significantly. Too bad the republicans are going to try to ban all porn pretty soon, according to their stated agenda. They do love their wealthy donors that run the prison-industrial-complex.

>Availability of pornography has cut down the rate of rapes significantly. Oh for the love of $DEITY, this is some /r/shithackernewssays. Rape is not a crime about sex. Please don't do this.

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