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Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by gotimo »

rahkiin wrote: post #403
galleywest200 wrote: post #52

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> Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers ordered the iPhone-maker to allow developers to steer users to alternative methods of paying for services or subscriptions offered in the App Store. The company also can no longer impose fees in such scenarios or restrict the ability of software-makers to offer links or otherwise communicate alternate payment options with consumers. The ruling means this starts immediately it seems, as…

So : make a free app. Ask people to buy the non-free version on a website. Apple gets 0. No revenue at all for providing stable apis and sdks? How’s that sustainable? The app store itself would be a gigantic loss leader that has to be paid for by iphone sales. If console makers have to do the same, consoles triple in price

...Apple makes revenue on the devices? On any monthly subscriptions you take with them? On the developers paying for licenses?

And let's not act as if people would use iOS if they couldn't have their apps. It is so much of a net gain to Apple to allow people to develop their apps there's a good chance it's indirectly profitable without any direct revenue from IAP's.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by erikpukinskis »

minraws wrote: post #460
jnwatson wrote: post #459

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> it's the OS. It's the OS that requires apps to get permission before accessing my location, it's the OS that isolates apps from each other, it's the OS that provides an easy way to install/uninstall packages. Sorry, you're just wrong. Only by analyzing the apps can Apple enforce several policies that many folks think contribute to users' security. The prohibition against dynamic code, lying about the reason that an…

If you think there are zero scam/malicious/malwares/etc apps on Play Store or App Store. I have a mountain I would like to sell ya. I am not agreeing with the other guy that it's OS. But App Store is hardly more safe than the usual internet. Stuff...

The App Store is much safer than the set of all internet accessible binaries.

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Post by danShumway »

scarface_74 wrote: post #119
mil22 wrote: post #4

About time. I'm tired of apologizing to customers who purchase subscriptions in my app only to discover they could have purchased the exact the same thing from my website for 15% less. "Why didn't you tell me?" Excerpt from the filing: "In stark contrast to Apple’s initial in-court testimony, contemporaneous business documents reveal that Apple knew exactly what it was doing and at every turn chose the most anticompe…

Will Walmart let you have a label on your product saying you could get it cheaper from Amazon?

Yes! Why do people keep on asking this? Yes, practically every single tech product that you buy from Walmart will include links to their online stores in the packaging. Including Apple products! And this has been the case for ages.

I remember buying DVDs from Walmart and opening them up and the first thing you would see is a slip of paper telling you in giant letters to use some reward program or streaming service rather than buying the DVDs physically.

If you buy an iPhone from Walmart, there will be a link to the apple store in the packaging. If you buy a Switch, there will be promotions for digital downloads that directly compete with Walmart in your packaging. It's not just digital links either, when I bought a Roomba it came with instructions about how to order future purchases, filters, and parts directly from the manufacturer.

Apple bans developers from including links to alternative stores in bundled manuals and help pages. I can not think of a single physical store that does the same, and I can't think of a single tech company including Apple that doesn't link to competing storefronts in their manuals and packaging inserts.

Apple is worse than Walmart on this issue.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by scarface_74 »

danShumway wrote: post #573
scarface_74 wrote: post #119

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Will Walmart let you have a label on your product saying you could get it cheaper from Amazon?

Yes! Why do people keep on asking this? Yes, practically every single tech product that you buy from Walmart will include links to their online stores in the packaging. Including Apple products! And this has been the case for ages. I remember buying DVDs from Walmart and opening them up and the first thing you would see is a slip of paper telling you in giant letters to use some reward program or streaming service ra…

And that’s after you buy it. Are you willing to sell your software up front instead of a subscription? Walmart doesn’t distribute products for free that then you can pay for it after you take it home.

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Post by m463 »

caffinatedkitti wrote: post #478
m463 wrote: post #461

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Whatever your opinion of Steve Jobs, he was a leader and would never have let things get this far. Now leadership is just mediocre and apple products look nice but are shallow nerfed computing experiences.

The one who blocked Adobe Flash and Google Voice? Steve jobs was the one to bring app store gatekeping and developer restrictions to IOS.

yes, but it didn't get so far that the government intervened.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by w_for_wumbo »

eviks wrote: post #171
w_for_wumbo wrote: post #73

This is huge, because it means that anyone buying an iPhone or apple product going forward is knowingly supporting this behaviour. I fully expect this to be the ruin of Apple.

What is the magic information dissemination service that guarantees that every future customer knows?

This is human communication. If you make an ethics-based decision and communicate that with friends or family, they then have to make the conscious choice to continue supporting the business with this practice or seek alternatives. People who care about humans will support businesses that care about humans.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by jillyboel »

jimbokun wrote: post #545
Wobbles42 wrote: post #375

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Is it surprising? If the revenue realized by the ongoing defiance of the courts exceeds the cost of replacing the executive (including any risk premium caused by the risk of jail time in that job) then it seems rational for Apple as an entity to continue to defy the law. Even if these executive positions carried a guarantee of a several year term in minimum or medium security prison, for the salaries involved they sh…

You seem to be ignoring the question of why any executive would be dumb enough to risk actual jail time to further the interests of the inhuman, soulless entity that is Apple Computer.

Because they're getting paid tens of millions. same reason people join criminal organizations, really. the profit outweighs the potential downsides.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

tremon wrote: post #353
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #291

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Intellectually curious doesn't necessarily overrule base human tendencies. They may be more likely to have the capacity, but no way it's amy kind of guarantee.

That's a curiously limited form of curiosity, if it doesn't even examine the base tendencies of the operating human.

Individual human behaviour is full of little seeming hypocrisies and counter intuitiveness when looked at from the outside. There's usually some explanation that makes sense to the individual themselves or a blind spot they're in denial about or don't realise they have.

A lot of human behaviour is learned and becomes habitualised rather than logically thought through. Habits are sub-conscious and therefore logic doesn't (as) often get applied.

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