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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by plx211 »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #460
modo_mario wrote: post #456

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>Nothing short of this "abrupt change" has been successful in getting Europe to take responsibility for its own security. I think Europe always had the capacity for that. Russia is a nuclear armed state but as far as it's proportional spending goes it's worth noting it's economy is smaller than Italy. What it was lacking was political will and the urge to deal with fragmentation and unanimity. Especially wrt germany…

>Are your view of it on the comments of people online? Yes, I'm noting that uniquely among US allies, the internet is full of Europeans expressing anti-Americanism. And this has reduced American enthusiasm for the transatlantic alliance. There's no sense in trying to please someone who complains about you no matter what you do. I don't think it is just online, but the internet made it very clear to the US how Europea…

Sorry, but I'm must write that: "the internet is full of Europeans expressing anti-Americanism" This strongly sound like Russian "the others country is Russophobic".

Internet mems site are not trustworthy, I'm saying this as Polish, basing on this kind of site I've should be the racist, but I'm not.

Poland was strongly pro american (at least in the last 35 year). Unfortunately, internet in this time must be readed with "grain of salt", there is too many trolls, bots and boring kids.

"I don't think it is just online, but the internet made it very clear to the US how Europeans feel about us." In my opinion there is somekind of "disinformation attack" to quarrel europe with USA, unfortunately, successfully because I see a lot annoyed people on both site.

Information which comes to us via media (tv, local news, etc.) probably are diffrents that this whats you get, so probably this is why you can feel that we're anti-american, but in my opion Europe and USA was in symbiosis not only economically.

I'm also want to mark that Trump from my perspective starting "false flag" operation on greenland, like Putin did that with Ukraine, what woring me because I just don't want a war :)

Sorry, for my English, but for me it's 2:18

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

amarcheschi wrote: post #550
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #539

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If it's an equal partnership, each partner respects the right of the other to exit. If it's an equal partnership, both countries are equally sad if it ends, since both got equal benefit. The US/Europe relationship fails both those criteria.

Usa have the rights to exit nato just like any other country, I've heard nobody complaining about how the us shouldn't be allowed to

Here's another commenter in this thread explaining how I need to 'deal with it' and be humble about the US' global position: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43462237

It sure seems like they think the US has an obligation to stay. That's the subtext of a lot of what Europeans are saying online.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

plx211 wrote: post #571
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Are your view of it on the comments of people online? Yes, I'm noting that uniquely among US allies, the internet is full of Europeans expressing anti-Americanism. And this has reduced American enthusiasm for the transatlantic alliance. There's no sense in trying to please someone who complains about you no matter what you do. I don't think it is just online, but the internet made it very clear to the US how Europea…

Sorry, but I'm must write that: "the internet is full of Europeans expressing anti-Americanism" This strongly sound like Russian "the others country is Russophobic". Internet mems site are not trustworthy, I'm saying this as Polish, basing on this kind of site I've should be the racist, but I'm not. Poland was strongly pro american (at least in the last 35 year). Unfortunately, internet in this time must be readed wi…

I don't think it is internet trolls. It's been going on for a long time. I don't think a disinformation attack would be used on Hacker News. The accounts I'm arguing with have significant karma. And I don't see other Europeans arguing with the ones who express anti-Americanism, or downvoting those comments. That suggests they silently agree.

I don't think the US should be invading other countries. I agree that justifies anti-Americanism, as I stated elsewhere in this thread.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by EasyMark »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

This is an odd take when one considers we (the US) have a large trade deficit with the EU. I personally prefer that we have open and free trade with the EU with no protectionism at all. It's only our adversaries like China and Russia that I worry about trading with, and hence tariffs and restrictions be much more appropriate, the clown in charge in Washington seems to want the opposite.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by plx211 »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #573
plx211 wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but I'm must write that: "the internet is full of Europeans expressing anti-Americanism" This strongly sound like Russian "the others country is Russophobic". Internet mems site are not trustworthy, I'm saying this as Polish, basing on this kind of site I've should be the racist, but I'm not. Poland was strongly pro american (at least in the last 35 year). Unfortunately, internet in this time must be readed wi…

I don't think it is internet trolls. It's been going on for a long time. I don't think a disinformation attack would be used on Hacker News. The accounts I'm arguing with have significant karma. And I don't see other Europeans arguing with the ones who express anti-Americanism, or downvoting those comments. That suggests they silently agree. I don't think the US should be invading other countries. I agree that justif…

Unfortunately, it's a "bobble", politican topics always cause emotions and annoying, a lot of (if not the most) peoples when see this kind of discussion mostly don't read them for peace of mind.

My wife when is bored, usually, reading twitter and after 15min I'm hearing her crying how people are cruel for animals, but she doing that herself everytime.

The best what you can do is temporary cut off yourself from "bubble", but basing on how intesive news was last time it can be hard.

Human under emotions doesn't thing clear.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by energy123 »

owebmaster wrote: post #541
energy123 wrote: post #493

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It is a win-win even when one side wins more than the other. Also you are operating in dollars space instead of utility space, which is a mistake. Even if a poor person "only" gains an extra $2000/year in annual earnings due to globalization, that can be a life changing amount of additional wealth given that their utility function is highly sensitive to small changes.

You ignored my point. If the rich side gets richer faster than the poorer side, it is not win-win, it just wide the inequality gap.

That is still a win-win.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by martin82 »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

Are you living in a parallel universe? There is no conceivable path forward where Europe will somehow be able to compete on the world stage against US and China.

Europe is more than two decades behind and in a death grip of the woke left, basically hell-bent on self destruction.

All talent has left to US and Asia. Endless stupid regulations and crippling taxation make startups impossible. There is no way Europe will ever be able to compete.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

Aloisius wrote: post #566
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #446

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>There's literally not a place in the world (except for Canada and Australia) that shares as many common values with the US as Europe. I just don't think that's true. Europeans seem much more collectivist, whereas the US is more individualist. That's why Europeans express disdain for US policies around healthcare, guns, etc. Europeans express a tremendous amount of disdain for the US online, calling Americans fat, du…

> Europeans seem much more collectivist, whereas the US is more individualist. That's why Europeans express disdain for US policies around healthcare, guns, etc. The US is plenty collectivist. Patriots who put country first and would die for it? That's collectivism. Someone who puts their family ahead of themselves? Also collectivism. One should disdain the US healthcare system not because it isn't "collectivist" (th…

>The US is plenty collectivist. Patriots who put country first and would die for it? That's collectivism. Someone who puts their family ahead of themselves? Also collectivism.

Our discussion is on the topic of whether the US and Europe have common values. You can call this stuff "collectivism" if you want. But ironically I think it still indicates some deep US/Europe value differences.

No one in the US believes people should be obligated to serve in the military. It's considered an honor which receives societal support and recognition. This feels more like voluntary altruism. The US has a similar approach with charitable giving -- last I checked its charitable donations are among the highest in the world. In Europe, by contrast, things are organized along obligations. Europeans don't give to charity as much; rather, they're forced to pay taxes so the government can hand out money. And they take that same mentality to the transatlantic alliance, implying that the US should be obligated to defend them. It's quite jarring to me when here in the US we celebrate the voluntary sacrifices of our service members, whereas Europeans take our service members as a given, and complain when we discuss withdrawal. You should celebrate more when another country chooses to defend you, not less.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by tossandthrow »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #534
tossandthrow wrote: post #487

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I don't have you pecked as a Trump supporter. Also, the US only has two parties - so a lot of people are voting because of a lack of better alternatives. This is wildly different than the EU where most countries have a much more nuanced political landscape. Eg. Germany that has 7 parties. As such I also know that politics in US is more akin to a sports match than what I consider politics in - and this is congruent to…

>English is not my first language Try using Google Translate or a European equivalent? You can write in your native language and translate into English. Using a translator could help you understand my points better, as well. >You seem completely oblivious to the fact that more than half listed stock globally is US - and that this is a marketplace. Ie. not only US capital. Yes, I'm aware that US stocks are overvalued.…

Is think there is plenty of evidence in both mine and other commenter's on why you comments are being downnvoted (which I can not do, as you answer to my comments).

You way of debating is defensive and dismissive. So that is a hard stop from me here

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