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Karpathy gave his initial impression: https://x.com/karpathy/status/1891720635363254772 The pull quote is: The impression overall I got here is that this is somewhere around (OpenAI) o1-pro capability

I don't see the Think button, and for me the answer is much below deepseek-r1 even thought I have Premium+ subscription. I'm just getting instant stupid answer instead of thinking.

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I'm a freeloader and it appears that unfortunately Elon is not stupid enough to just give it to me for free.. There's no fair price either since I see no pay-per-use pricing, so.. unavailable for me for now.

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Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

What's remarkable to me about criticism like this is how quickly it's rebutted by people claiming "where did they say they would do this," as if these people don't make incredibly rushed and poorly planned decisions all the time. It's like an idea immune system that rejects any criticism or self reflection. It would be sociologically fascinating if it wasn't being combined with a dereliction of congressional power and an unchecked executive.

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Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

I use them as a springboard for things I am really unfamiliar with. I'm self-learning electronics at the moment, and so I can ask it things like "what's a common and widely available cooperator." You will not find that answer on a search engine, I don't care how good your Google fu is. It's a weak jack of all trades: it knows a fair amount about the sum of human knowledge (which is objectively super-human), but can't…

Heads up as an EE who uses LLMs quite a bit; they cannot analyze circuits or build them.

They might be able to help stitch together modules (like sensor boards plugged into microcontrollers) and definitely can write code to get things going, but they fall flat on their face hard for any kind of bare bones electronics design. Like 5% success rate and 95% totally incorrect hallucinations.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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post #541

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

I do not share your fear & anxiety. What concrete danger do you imagine will happen as a result of xAI? Try to be as concrete as possible. Also, dang, is there anything we can do to keep the comments on this submission tech-focused? Perhaps the Elon-bashing political digression can be split into its own thread?

How is this Elon-bashing? Address his concerns. Elon is not a king that shouldn't be questioned. Quite the contrary.

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I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

I absolutely hate the Elon hypetrain, but I also don't understand the social media hate I see for AI, like comparing every ChatGPT answer to one wasted bottle of water. Can we stop for a second and just marvel at a new piece of human ingenuity? Let's not give Elon too much credit, but I think that AI as a whole helps us all understand the nature of intelligence, and therefore humans' place in the universe. One of the…

> I also don't understand the social media hate I see for AI, like comparing every ChatGPT answer to one wasted bottle of water. Can we stop for a second and just marvel at a new piece of human ingenuity?

I don't know, man. We're staring down the barrel of at best a WW3-event and at worst an extinction-event. We're doing absolutely nothing to stop it, even though we have all the answers and the resources to do so. Instead, we're making the problem even worse all so some marketers and scammers can spend someone else's money to generate garbage pictures and SEO spam, so the worst people on the planet can gain even more money and power than they already have.

I'd love to be positive about this tech, I'm sure it's cool or whatever, but it's really hard to be positive about anything right now, especially when the tech in question is speeding us straight along the path to mass death. The world sucks and the people running the LLM stuff are amoral monsters putting all of their resources into making it worse. I'm not excited about any of this.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is precisely zero mention of any plan to put xAI or any other LLM in any safety critical or decision making process. How long? Nobody knows because nobody is even considering it. Take your pointless fear mongering elsewhere.

It's well documented that DOGE uses AI, and Musk has tweeted that SpaceX will be overhauling the FAA as well. It's pretty realistic to think they will (or already do) use xAI for critical processes.

DOGE makes recommendations to the president, who has the final decision making authority.

The rest is pure speculation. “It is very reasonable to believe this thing that confirms all my biases so therefore it must be true”

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

The only plausible explanation for the amount of resources poured into these language models is the hope that they somehow become the origin of AGI, which I think is pretty fanciful. I can feel the cold wind of the next AI winter coming on. It's inevitable. Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior, people get excited that it's around the corner, and the hype boils over. This isn't the last time this will…

I think the amount of money is explained in part by hubris. People in high positions think they're at least what they earn more smart and capable than people at the bottom of the org. So its reasonable, expected, borderline obvious that a computer bot can replace that person. So you're betting on the ability of it to get rid, if not of your junior devs at least the majority of your customer support staff.

In reality people doing "menial" jobs are smart and learn and operate with a lot of nuance than people ignore given unfamiliarity or just prejudice. Do you prefer to talk to a chatbot or a real human when you have a problem, how confident are you really, that even if the bot knows what the problem is it would be able to solve it.

Lots of problems with customer care is anchored in the issue that support staff is not allowed to fix or resolve problems without escalation or attempts at keeping you from costing more money. The bot might be better at it for the company because it will frustrate you enough to give up that 30 bucks refund, idk.

Ai seems to change a lot the dynamics of corporate jobs but I haven't seen yet anything that would be a game changer outside of it. Its great for searching company unorganised and messy knowledge bases.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naive question from a bystander , but since DeepSeek is open source and is on par with o1-pro (is it?), shouldn't we expect that anybody with the computer power is capable to compete with o1-pro?

It's not on par with o1, let alone o1-pro

It’s pretty on par with o1, better at many coding questions.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is precisely zero mention of any plan to put xAI or any other LLM in any safety critical or decision making process. How long? Nobody knows because nobody is even considering it. Take your pointless fear mongering elsewhere.

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It's unbelievable how the US government is literally being dismantled in front of your eyes, and all you can see is this thought-terminating bullshit about "purple hair people". Half the American population completely lost the ability to think...
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