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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by bayindirh »

starbugs wrote: post #569
bayindirh wrote: post #567

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Oh, wow. Requiring proof now. First, I don't keep bookmarks of everything I read, second I can't record conversations I've had with people owning cars I'm interested in and store them in publicly accessible places. I understand that we will not be able to meet somewhere in the middle. Also, I'm not someone who'd leave personal opinions and experiences to appease and please someone. So, have a nice day. Hope your cars…

Oh, wow - as soon as real information is required, you pull out. Didn't expect anything else.

Let's play your game, then. The URL contains a list of links I have found in my browser and YouTube history, mostly about Tesla, in 20 minutes. I especially searched for Tesla, since this is what we're talking about.

Moreover, I failed to find some of the links I wanted to add, which were more positive ones about Tesla, nonetheless (e.g.: the famous consultancy which gutted a Model S and found very good engineering alongside some rookie mistakes).

Now, this is your turn to provide me information about how I'm mislead, and what Tesla does instead. Waiting a similar links trove from you, since you claim that you're very knowledgeable about the subject matter.

https://notes.bayindirh.io/notes/Lists/Cars+and+Related+Tech...

P.S.: I knowingly left out most egregiously negative and biased ones from the list above. There were more links than I added to this trove.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by hulitu »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

> And some of these notifications block the navigation and require interaction to close. While driving!

/rant For some reason, some idiots, piece of crap human beings, think that it is ok to bombard you with notifications, with no way to make them go away. It is everywhere: on phones, on TVs, on cars.

Dear SW coders, please, read human interface guidelines from Apple from 20 years ago and X user interface guidlines.

Do not draw transient windows without an OK or Cancel button. /end rant

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

kalleboo wrote: post #548
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #505

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It seems that they fail the TUV for two reasons: bad suspensions and rusted brakes. The first one is on Tesla, but the second one has to do with regenerative braking vs real braking. You are supposed to slam your brakes one or two times a year so they don't get rusty, but a lot of users aren't following this and can go a long time without using their brakes because regen braking is so convenient.

PHEVs will run their gas engines after they have not been used in a while in order to keep the gas in them from going stale, it seems odd that the braking system on EVs doesn't do the same for the brakes

It makes total sense: consumers don't like it when EVs automatically slam on the brakes to get rid of rust :).

Unfortunately, you can't generate enough friction to do this without the car moving, which is why it has to be done manually.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by dzhiurgis »

zarzavat wrote: post #550
dzhiurgis wrote: post #523

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So they are not really nazi and calling musk one is like 6 degrees of separation..?

As a Jew there’s no difference to me between those who knowingly repeat Nazi slogans (i.e AfD) and “real” Nazis. It’s very easy to not be a Nazi, it’s unnecessary to make excuses for those who know what they are doing. Germans (i.e. ethnic German citizens), should be held to a higher standard, because they are educated on this, there’s no excuse.

IDK, but hating on certain group (i.e. AfD) sounds you are somewhat of a nazi yourself then.

AfD are huge Israel supporters (they anti-muslim tho) - https://www.timesofisrael.com/loathed-by-jews-germanys-far-r...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by dzhiurgis »

voidUpdate wrote: post #558
dzhiurgis wrote: post #520

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Maybe he shouldn't be apologizing for every unhinged accusation he gets? Maybe the accusers should apologize? Maybe they will come crawling on their knees in few months time to do so? I don't know, but what I do like is that wokeism is slowly curing so he may have been onto something.

You don't need to apologise for every accusation you get. You should probably address a widespread belief that you are making very offensive gestures, clarify what you meant and apologise for the confusion. Also could you define "wokeism" for me? Everyone seems to be using a different definition so its hard to know what people actually mean when they say it

He did address the claims by ridiculing them.

Question is why media decided to continue spinning the same narrative despite looking like idiots? Is it clicks, political agenda or journalistic integrity? It's not hard to see...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by dzhiurgis »

sshine wrote: post #557
dzhiurgis wrote: post #540

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Plenty of cars for you then. Only pity you pay 2x price for 1/2 features. But at least it looks good!

What features are Teslas missing out on?

Notably v2l, 360 cameras and bullet proof auto-wipers.

Rest of industry missing everything else that Tesla's had a for a decade.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by dzhiurgis »

manmal wrote: post #553
dzhiurgis wrote: post #540

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Plenty of cars for you then. Only pity you pay 2x price for 1/2 features. But at least it looks good!

That’s IMO cope from Tesla fans. I’d take a KIA/Hyundai or Audi anytime over a Tesla.

Might be in your market.

Audi costs easily 2x for abysmal specs and reliability. Kia/Hyundai is better deal, but they are such bare cars it's almost like driving 90s Toyota. Spec them out to base Tesla (i.e. power seats, power liftgate, heated steering wheel, etc) and price is 1.5x higher.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by dzhiurgis »

lostlogin wrote: post #555
dzhiurgis wrote: post #520

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Maybe he shouldn't be apologizing for every unhinged accusation he gets? Maybe the accusers should apologize? Maybe they will come crawling on their knees in few months time to do so? I don't know, but what I do like is that wokeism is slowly curing so he may have been onto something.

Do you attribute the curing of wokeism (whatever that is) to Musk making Nazi salute? I’m missing a key part of what is going on.

PG wrote a good article on wokeism recently https://paulgraham.com/woke.html

Maybe I should call it neo-woke when left is turning to violence and being more fascist than actual nazis? https://www.timesofisrael.com/loathed-by-jews-germanys-far-r...

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Post by bdangubic »

manmal wrote: post #553
dzhiurgis wrote: post #540

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Plenty of cars for you then. Only pity you pay 2x price for 1/2 features. But at least it looks good!

That’s IMO cope from Tesla fans. I’d take a KIA/Hyundai or Audi anytime over a Tesla.

if you drove them you would say otherwise. I have Tesla S and Audi eTron, price comparable ($90k) while the difference is like between a Harley and Vespa.

and I am the least Tesla “fan” on the planet and think Elon is the saddest person that ever lived on this planet

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Post by Sammi »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #573
kalleboo wrote: post #548

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PHEVs will run their gas engines after they have not been used in a while in order to keep the gas in them from going stale, it seems odd that the braking system on EVs doesn't do the same for the brakes

It makes total sense: consumers don't like it when EVs automatically slam on the brakes to get rid of rust :). Unfortunately, you can't generate enough friction to do this without the car moving, which is why it has to be done manually.

The car doesn't have to SLAM the brakes. It just has to use them a bit like a regular car.
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