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Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Regardless of one’s view on the outcome, this case is a reminder that textualism as a legal philosophy stands on shaky ground. This case is decided not on some strict analysis of the words written by a legislator, but on the court’s subjective view that there is a compelling national interest (which in turn seems based on speculation about the future, rather than a factual analysis of events). Textualism might give t…

It's not really speculation, though. Certain aspects of the intelligence relationships between the US and China are highly asymmetrical already. For example, Chinese nationals can enter our country and gather information on our infrastructure, corporations, and people with relative ease because English is prevalent, and foreign nationals have, with the exception of certain military/research areas, the same access tha…

Yeah it’s funny MAGA still wants to encourage more H1b from China because you know apparently Americans are smart enough and are lazy. (Thanks for your vote though we will get rid of trans migrants!)

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post #225

In a more functional democracy we would see that mass data collection of any sort, by any company (foreign or domestic), is a national security risk. Have witnessed first-hand the threats by foreign state actors penetrating US-based cloud infrastructure. And it’s not like any of our domestic corporations are practicing the type of security hygiene necessary to prevent those intrusions. So idk, the whole thing feels l…

Claiming that “mass data collection” by our own government is inherently a natural security risk is not an assertion based on rational evidence.

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post #417

Many people here upset about this. Here's what recently happened in Romania, all through TikTok. Turns out China (or here, Russia) infiltrated the country, waged an enormous disinformation campaign and succeeded by getting their chosen candidate elected. Without TikTok, this would not have happened. I have talked about this with Romanians who concur. In the real world, there are two responses to this. 1. "Tough luck,…

Are we that good already?

Thrilling

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As a free speech absolutist, I hope that what comes out of this is a completely anonymized, uncensorable alternative. We've gotten the arbitrary censorship walled garden social media sites mostly because until now there hasn't been any particular reason for most users to step outside of them.

Nah, centralized apps have won because mass appeal and market momentum hinges on factors almost entirely other than an app's technical architecture.

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Thousands of US content creators were earning on TikTok. Now they need to migrate over to other alternatives. Also this is a reminder for all content creators to always plan for failovers. Though I would assume most them already are on multiple platforms.

Not at all the case except for the largest ones. It is hard to grasp the distribution capacity of TikTok. It WILL put your content in front of people interested in it. It's crazy good at that. Also, a lot of money came in from the live streams within the app.

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Still have no good answer on why its bad for a company that is supposedly under Chineese influence to collect this kind of information on us, and adjust and tweak an 'algorith' for displaying content. But its perfectly fine for a US company to do it? Wouldn't the right solution be to protect the citizens from all threats, foreign and domestic?

Not only that, but there's no evidence at all that Tik Tok's been feeding China any data. None. Whereas we have proof and evidence that US agencies can access data about citizens from anywhere else in the world without even needing a court order. Everybody forgot already US spying on Merkel's phone? But that's okay, because America is not bound to any rules I guess. Disgusting foreign policy with a disgusting excepti…

> Not only that, but there's no evidence at all that Tik Tok's been feeding China any data. None.

Yes there has been. TikTok admitted to it. They were tracking journalists.

This is not a mere accusation. Instead the company admitted to it.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-by...

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This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

It will take ages for that to happen. AFAIK the "ban" only really removes it from app stores, I don't think it even requires store owners to force it off of phones that have downloaded it already.
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