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Re: NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker

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Post by kkkqkqkqkqlqlql » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 8:47 PM UTC

Qwertious wrote: post #132

matt3210 wrote: post #39

I like congestion pricing because it keeps poor people off the road so the middle can commute faster /sarcasm

Poor people commute by bus/train, which is far higher capacity per lane and is also cheaper. Congestion pricing is a luxury tax. The only downside is tradies who need to move their heavy equipment around the city, except this might be a net-benefit for them because getting stuck in traffic costs them more money in the form of longer turnaround times.

Regarding the tradies, could the cost of congestion pricing be tax-deductible or something like that?

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Post by skeeks » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 8:55 PM UTC

Mouse-over over the chart is broken (scrollbar shown and hidden again and again). I believe you dont need to set x-overflow-auto on the div where the scrollbars appear.

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Post by CPLX » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:03 PM UTC

dleink wrote: post #533

CPLX wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've literally been to 80+ countries and have spent time in every U.S. city of significant size. If you can't look at the world and figure out the obvious fact that New York is the greatest and most significant city that has existed since we climbed down out of the trees I'm not sure what's going to convince you.

how do you reconcile this theory with the existence of the Mets?

The quality of bacon, egg, and cheese breakfast sandwiches is sufficiently high to offset the Mets.

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Post by brettgriffin » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:10 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #561

brettgriffin wrote: post #427

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On the contrary, they are! ~30% of people entering Manhattan a day are lower income!

> ~30% of people entering Manhattan a day are lower income In a private car? Where they aren’t eligible for the low-income discounts?

They are eligible for discounts after their 10th trip each month.

I think people misinterpreted the point. Saying 'there are no poor people driving and parking in NYC' in an asinine statement when the data clear show that 30% of the drivers into congestion zone are lower income. Whether or not they should, are shouldering more or less of burden, and all of this other nonsense is extraneous.

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Post by rendang » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:10 PM UTC

dml2135 wrote: post #552

bradlys wrote: post #513

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In NYC, I disagree. I get sick very frequently whenever I take the subway. It is absolutely disgusting. The amount of crazy people on there is a lot too. Every friend has some story of some person assaulting or nearly assaulting them on the subway. No one truly feels safe on it.

I truly feels safe on the NYC subway. You know what's more dangerous than riding the subway? Driving in a car.

Driving in a car is pretty dangerous when you're in some Texas suburb with 50mph arterial streets. Going 20mph through lower Manhattan with an intersection every few hundred feet, not so much

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Post by potato3732842 » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:10 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #474

potato3732842 wrote: post #340

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Nothing special. Slight increases in minor accidents and near misses, some minority of which will involve pedestrians or road rage violence Basically the same downsides as anything else that changes the speed via rule or enforcement rather than changing the conditions of the road (e.g. "traffic calming").

i fail to see how adding cameras and an additional penalty will lead to any of those things

Because it only affects some drivers leading to higher variance in speed leading to more friction among traffic. Same reason everyone with a brain suggests traffic calming over changing the numbers on the signs.

This is transit 101 level stuff.

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Post by cyberax » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:12 PM UTC

boroboro4 wrote: post #204

cyberax wrote: post #186

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> We appear to have very different definitions of "well-designed cities". No comparable European city is even close to Houston in average commute time. Go on, fact check me. > This is why the subway and buses in Manhattan move 5x and 2x more people respectively per day than cars. Manhattan is a hellscape that needs to be de-densified (with some neighborhoods preserved as museums of human folly).

London average commute time is 38 minutes, quite comparable to 31 minute in Houston. I would argue you get much more spare time while using public transportation too, as well as so much needed walk time.

> London average commute time is 38 minutes, quite comparable to 31 minute in Houston.

Houston is 28 minutes. So an average Houston citizen gets 20 more minutes every day. In reality, it's even more because Houston is way better designed for daily chores: buying groceries, getting kids to chess clubs, etc.

It can work out to a whole _hour_ a day of extra time compared to London.

And they will live in FAR FAR FAR better conditions. In their own house, with plenty of space.

So yep, dense cities are a folly and need to be refactored (by demolishing).

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Post by rendang » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:13 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #483

dralley wrote: post #167

Fantastic. That's step one, now fix the public transit, and make it safer and cleaner, so that people actually enjoy using it consistently rather than just needing to do so. Do that and NYC will be a much, much nicer city to live in.

It will never be “safe” or “clean” enough for the people who think it is unsafe today. Because for some people they see one homeless person and it ruins their day. They fail to realize that hey, transit is the means of transport one might take when you have no money at all, and you are always going to have homeless people on it and its not a big deal either.

Homeless people are not inherently unsafe. Unstable people who threaten & assault those around them are.

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Post by Aaronstotle » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:13 PM UTC

I did a bike ride on Saturday and passed the Port Authority terminal on my way home and it was very packed. When I rode by yesterday afternoon I noticed it was significantly less crowded.

I think its attributed to the fact that it was a weekday and the weather was worse, however I would like to think the pricing had some effect.

Time will tell!

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Post by cyberax » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:13 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #251

cyberax wrote: post #190

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> I guess by 'well designed cities' you mean 'cities with copious amounts of parking' Yup. Wide roads, plenty of parking, distributed industry and office space, low density.

"Low density" just means that the entire area is covered in asphalt. That's not what well designed looks like.

Yes, and?

> That's not what well designed looks like.

It is more flexible, people-friendly, enables better living. So yeah, "well designed".