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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by carlosjobim » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 9:53 PM UTC

yieldcrv wrote: post #465

carlosjobim wrote: post #174

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Young people don't have any political power at all, so "political party" doesn't say very much about them as a person.

Tell that to their former friend the same age, who happened to pick the other party.

When I was young, people had different political opinions and would still be friends and party and do things together. Only some odd fellows would make a fuzz and try to exclude somebody for politics, usually the opposite happened.

When we're older, then political affiliation starts reflecting more on a persons character. Then we've all been through (or should have been through) the different situations where politics have a real world impact on our lives that we can understand and relate to.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by fitsumbelay » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 9:53 PM UTC

This article is paywalled for me and I'm thankful because the title alone has the scent of bait, ie. the post might be about a narrow case like large venue/big name dj events rather than dance clubs in general

If there is a 'decline' it's likely because there's been a 20 year surge in DJ events -- like some clubs either going 50/50 between live performance events and dj dance nights or out right choosing DJ nights over live performance because it's cheaper (no sound check, no load-in/load-out, fewer drink comps for individuals and plus-ones ....) -- and the era is cycling down. But it hardly means nightclubbing or dance clubs are done for. Even if the activity were in decline, mobile phones would not be the cause. People go out even when their city is being bombed

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by jaarse » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 9:54 PM UTC

I don't believe this is specific to Raves, but Bars & Nightclubs in general.

Younger people don't seem to be going to these places nearly as much as generations past. I think a lot of this drop off can be attributed to Social Media & Tinder.

You don't need to go out to see your friends or find a date. So why bother? It's easier and cheaper to stay home.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by devrob » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 9:54 PM UTC

I think there's a lot of nuance here. I teach DJing (house/techno mostly) and there's never been more interest in electronic music & DJing. Folks who thought I was a bit out there in high school for liking electronic & dance music, have recently all now become more interested in DJing and raving. The DJ today is continuing to grow into the modern rock-star (albeit, in terms of real $ of music money, it's no where close).

Moreover, as several commenters have pointed out there has been a big growth in festivals and awareness. Lots of people talk to me about "house music" now, whereas before it was a relatively "underground" thing.

Now, I think there's a question about whether the scale of such events have maintained the same cultural ethos as the early rave days, and that, though I'm not old enough to have participated, is likely a categorical no. There's a greater focus on 'documenting' experiences at these events rather than living it. Here's a clip of an rising group called Kienemusik [tik tok link](https://www.tiktok.com/@as.anca/video/7359750430345186593?q=...), where you can see there's more video taping than dancing. I would venture to say, we are so filled with wonder sometimes that we forget that part of experiencing awe is letting go of ego and just experiencing.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by quchen » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 9:57 PM UTC

lamp_book wrote: post #426

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How so? I saw a few vids about EDC and quite frankly it looked worse than tomorrowland (like, reminds me of mobile games patterns), quite the feat. Burning Man has a reputation, and it's definitely not a sharing economy to get there. I wouldn't fly half the globe to get there, I think it would be quite interesting though.

It’s more of an arts and community festival than a music event. There’s a smattering of respected DJs/producers each year and some good sets, but otherwise there’s a bunch of art cars roaming around thumping generic party music. Absolutely nothing against Donna summers, but I’m not shitting you when I say I heard her around a half a dozen times the first big party night, for instance. There is no curation there like…

There are a couple of smaller burns here I have connections to, I like the participatory idea, as opposed to pure consumption like a holiday park. If burning man is (or was) like that I would find that pretty appealing. Not sure about August in the desert some 10000km away though : - D

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Post by AtlasBarfed » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 9:59 PM UTC

brabel wrote: post #358

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It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

When my mom was teen, she says the way they had the most fun was to go to dancing parties in people's houses and sometimes in some special venue for younger people. That was in the 60's. As I grew up in the 80's we had nothing like that, we just went to night clubs or some street full of bars/restaurants. Dancing was mostly a thing you did by yourself, like in most night clubs still these days, not like she describes…

Boomers basically pulled up the social ladder of fun when it wasn't convenient to them anymore.

Technology combined with oligarchy is really leading to a demographic and social disaster. I think the iron placenta and designer babies are the only things that will prevent population collapse. Well, age extension will probably kick in too.

It's a race between us killing the worlds biosphere and us fading away to nothingness right now. I think there's plenty of population momentum to kill off the planet

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Post by arschfick » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 9:59 PM UTC

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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by totallynothoney » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 10:00 PM UTC

throwaway_95283 wrote: post #514

jmdelatorre wrote: post #509

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in some places in Chile its gone down though https://www.emol.com/noticias/Economia/2025/01/03/1153139/lo...

Chile is awful (Santiago specifically). Sorry if you are from there. High prices, high crime, full of feminists, everything closes early. Might as well move back to the west.

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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by WorldMaker » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 10:01 PM UTC

Tade0 wrote: post #191

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Supply is artificially limited.

Supply can't possibly keep up when real estate is used as an investment. As an analogy to the dead internet hypothesis I present the dead real estate market hypothesis. Increasingly it's just investors buying and selling properties from each other. And it's not just a hypothesis. China built enough homes to house its population twice over, yet it's not reflected in the prices. All because everyone and their grandma i…

This is the lesson the board game Monopoly was originally intended to teach. The Georgism side of "The Landlord's Game" sometimes feels as relevant as ever, and as obvious as ever why those rules not packed into the game by Hasbro. (They aren't fun and we don't actually want to question what real estate ownership should mean.)

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Post by hug » Wed, Jan 08, 2025, 10:01 PM UTC

9rx wrote: post #378

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It's interesting how the creation of the internet still hasn't caused real estate prices to plummet. Even two years of covid couldn't do it.

That is because the internet is what largely has made real estate more valuable. In pre-internet times, people shared real estate. Bars, restaurants, church, etc. Their discretionary income went into the fees, offerings, etc. to make these places comfortable. With the rise of the internet, people started preferring to stay home to use the internet. All that discretionary income once spent on fuelling those third plac…

The pin that pokes a hole in this theory is that commercial rents, at least in my part of the world in an expensive city, have risen faster than residential. Presumably this wouldn’t be the case if those third places were in such rapid decline.

Also, I’m pretty tightly involved in the local bar and hospitality scene, and most places are doing just fine — not quite pre-COVID levels at a number of places, but some are busier than ever.