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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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Post by kenjackson »

antihipocrat wrote: post #546
hcwilk wrote: post #537

I just graduated college, and this was a major blow. I studied Mechanical Engineering and went into Sales Engineering because cause I love technology and people, but articles like this do nothing but make me dread the future. I have no idea what to specialize in, what skills I should master, or where I should be spending my time to build a successful career. Seems like we’re headed toward a world where you automate s…

Your performance on these tests would be equivalent to the highest performing model, and you would be much cheaper. Investment in human talent augmented by AI is the future.

That’s the least reassuring phrasing I could imagine. If you’re betting on costs not reducing for compute then you’re almost always making the wrong bet.

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Post by intuitionist »

keenmaster wrote: post #549
hcwilk wrote: post #537

I just graduated college, and this was a major blow. I studied Mechanical Engineering and went into Sales Engineering because cause I love technology and people, but articles like this do nothing but make me dread the future. I have no idea what to specialize in, what skills I should master, or where I should be spending my time to build a successful career. Seems like we’re headed toward a world where you automate s…

You have so much time to figure things out. The average person in this thread is probably 1.5-2x your age. I wouldn’t stress too much. AI is an amazing tool. Just use it to make hay while the sun shines, and if it puts you out of work and automates away all other alternatives, then you’ll be witnessing the greatest economic shift in human history. Productivity will become easier than ever, before it becomes automatic…

> if it puts you out of work and automates away all other alternatives, then you’ll be witnessing the greatest economic shift in human history.

This would mean the final victory of capital over labor. The 0.01% of people who own the machines that put everyone out of work will no longer have use for the rest of humanity, and they will most likely be liquidated.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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Post by Jensson »

ripped_britches wrote: post #564
demirbey05 wrote: post #336

It is not exactly AGI but huge step toward it. I would expect this step in 2028-2030. I cant really understand why people are happy with it, this technology is so dangerous that can disrupt whole society. It's neither like smartphone nor internet. What will happen to 3rd world countries. Lots of unsolved questions and world is not prepared for such a change. Lots of people will lose their jobs I am not even mentionin…

I’ve never understood this perspective. Companies only make money when there are billions of customers. Are you imagining a total-monopoly scenario where zero humans have any income/wealth and there are only AI companies selling/mining/etc to each other, fully on their own? In such an extreme scenario, clearly the world’s governments would nationalize these entities. I think the only realistic scenario in which the f…

> In such an extreme scenario, clearly the world’s governments would nationalize these entities

Those entities are the worlds governments regardless how things play out. People just worry they will be hostile or indifferent to humans, since that would be bad news for humans. Pet, cattle or pest, our future will be as one of those.

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Post by uncomplexity_ »

nopinsight wrote: post #125

Let me go against some skeptics and explain why I think full o3 is pretty much AGI or at least embodies most essential aspects of AGI. What has been lacking so far in frontier LLMs is the ability to reliably deal with the right level of abstraction for a given problem. Reasoning is useful but often comes out lacking if one cannot reason at the right level of abstraction. (Note that many humans can't either when they…

on the spatial data i see it as a highly intelligent head of a machine that just needs better limbs and better senses.

i think that's where most hardware startups will specialize with in the coming decades, different industries with different needs.

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Post by Engineering-MD »

Can I just say what a dick move it was to do this as a 12 days of Christmas. I mean to be honest I agree with the arguments this isn’t as impressive as my initial impression, but they clearly intended it to be shocking/a show of possible AGI, which is rightly scary.

It feels so insensitive to that right before a major holiday when the likely outcome is a lot of people feeling less secure in their career/job/life.

Thanks again openAI for showing us you don’t give a shit about actual people.

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Post by creer »

hcwilk wrote: post #537

I just graduated college, and this was a major blow. I studied Mechanical Engineering and went into Sales Engineering because cause I love technology and people, but articles like this do nothing but make me dread the future. I have no idea what to specialize in, what skills I should master, or where I should be spending my time to build a successful career. Seems like we’re headed toward a world where you automate s…

You are going through your studies just as a (potentially major) new class of tools is appearing. It's not the first time in history - although with more hype this time: computing, personal computing, globalisation, smart phones, chinese engineering... I'd suggest (1) you still need to understand your field, (2) you might as well try and figure out where this new class of tools is useful for your field. Otherwise... (3) carry on.

It's not encouraging from the point of view of studying hard but the evolution of work the past 40 years seems to show that your field probably won't be your field quite exactly in just a few years. Not because your field will have been made irrelevant but because you will have moved on. Most likely that will be fine, you will learn more as you go, hopefully moving from one relevant job to the next very different but still relevant job. Or straight out of school you will work in very multi-disciplinary jobs anyway where it will seem not much of what you studied matters (it will but not in obvious ways.)

Certainly if you were headed into a very specific job which seems obviously automatable right now (as opposed to one where the tools will be useful), don't do THAT. Like, don't train as a typist as the core of your job in the middle of the personal computer revolution, or don't specialize in hand-drawing IC layouts in the middle of the CAD revolution unless you have a very specific plan (court reporting? DRAM?)

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Post by thallium205 »

SerCe wrote: post #569

> You'll know AGI is here when the exercise of creating tasks that are easy for regular humans but hard for AI becomes simply impossible. You'll know AGI is here when traditional captchas stop being a thing due to their lack of usefulness.

Captchas are already completely useless.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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Post by hollowturtle »

Engineering-MD wrote: post #575

Can I just say what a dick move it was to do this as a 12 days of Christmas. I mean to be honest I agree with the arguments this isn’t as impressive as my initial impression, but they clearly intended it to be shocking/a show of possible AGI, which is rightly scary. It feels so insensitive to that right before a major holiday when the likely outcome is a lot of people feeling less secure in their career/job/life. Tha…

There is no AGI it’s just marketing, this stuff if over hyped, enjoy your holidays you won’t lose your job ;)

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Post by Agentus »

qt31415926 wrote: post #129
phillipcarter wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As excited as I am by this, I still feel like this is still just a small approximation of a small chunk of human reasoning ability at large. o3 (and whatever comes next) feels to me like it will head down the path of being a reasoning coprocessor for various tasks. But, still, this is incredibly impressive.

Which parts of reasoning do you think is missing? I do feel like it covers a lot of 'reasoning' ground despite its on the surface simplicity

kinda interesting, every single CS person (especially phds) when talking about reasoning are unable to concisely quantify, enumerate, qualify, or define reasoning.

people with (high) intelligence talking and building (artificial) intelligence but never able to convincingly explain aspects of intelligence. just often talk ambiguously and circularly around it.

what are we humans getting ourselves into inventing skynet :wink.

its been an ongoing pet project to tackle reasoning, but i cant answer your question with regards to llms.

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Post by XenophileJKO »

Engineering-MD wrote: post #575

Can I just say what a dick move it was to do this as a 12 days of Christmas. I mean to be honest I agree with the arguments this isn’t as impressive as my initial impression, but they clearly intended it to be shocking/a show of possible AGI, which is rightly scary. It feels so insensitive to that right before a major holiday when the likely outcome is a lot of people feeling less secure in their career/job/life. Tha…

Or maybe the target audience that watches 12 launch videos in the morning are genuninely excited about the new model. The intended it to be a preview of something to look forward to.

What a weird way to react to this.

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