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Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by mort96 »

Filligree wrote: post #560
dpkirchner wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I assumed that consumer protection laws would mean people could reverse charges more easily than they can here in the US (which we can do easily, albeit as a cardholder benefit, not a matter of law). Interesting.

They're mainly designed to make it so you don't need to. If you buy something, it's going to work; and if it doesn't, the seller is required to make up for that. I can only speak for Norway, but this doesn't normally mean reversing the charge. It's assumed that, if you bought an X, you wanted an X . So the seller is required to get you an X of good enough quality to actually do the job, and if that isn't what they we…

And to add to this, if the seller is unable to make the thing work as it's supposed to, either through repairs or replacements, they are of course obliged to give the customer their money back. But yeah, that's not the first resort.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by TekMol »

Does Hetzner provide a way to limit how much traffic a cloud server can use?

I'm always afraid to use paid services to host my hobby projects, because what happens when some malicious or stupid actor with huge bandwith hotlinks an image from my site or downloads it in a loop?

What would be perfect would be a way to set an upper limit of say 100 TB per month after which the cloud server does not accept outbound traffic anymore and I get an email.

Or is the network speed already enough of a protection? Their site says it is a 1GB connection. That should limit the traffic to 300TB per month? If so, that would also be fine with me.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by qwertox »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #555
foxylad wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who runs mail servers, I wish they'd be MORE strict to stop the drive-by spammers. Every so often our servers get blocked because someone starts sending spam from a machine on the same netblock. It might be good point-of-difference for some hosting service: have brutal KYC so your netblock is well regarded.

I agree. I'm currently using Linode. If they started requiring every account to have a valid US passport, I'd happily comply.

I wish these companies were forced to get the nationality of the person or the companies owners and be forced to assign them to IP address blocks which identifies these nationalities.

My home DNS server blocks all requests to .ru and .cn, but I can't do IP-address-block blocking because shady Chinese companies or individuals just need to rent some computing on AWS or DigitalOcean in order to become indistinguishable from American companies. And specially DigitalOcean seems to be the favorite platform for doing scams.

We're OK with having license plates attached to our cars, but not to be forced to expose our nationality to infrastructure providers? There's really no privacy-sensitive stuff which needs to be protected in that case.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by dijit »

nozzlegear wrote: post #257
ragall wrote: post #146

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Tariff can simply mean "fee". Don't be so proud of your ignorance.

It's not used that way in American English at all; it almost borders on archaic. Given the purpose of this email was to primarily let their American customers know they'd be raising prices on them, it seems unfair to tell someone they're ignorant when they were sent a message containing verbiage that has entirely different meaning to them.

It is not only correct British english, it would be considered formal and academic.

I understand that American english has diverged somewhat, but I would not have expected this word to give so much anguish. I wasn’t even personally aware that americans used it for a particular terminology.

in the meanwhile, us brits will continue using a literal swear word as our most popular version control system and not complain about it. :)

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by wqaatwt »

adventured wrote: post #111
anon7000 wrote: post #96

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How is there a duopoly in the cloud market in the US?

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I think they were talking about the internet infrastructure itself (not even data centers) rather than where the companies are registered.

> Europe has a cloud so basic and primitive

You do know that AWS, Google, Azure and Oracle all have data centers in Europe?

> basic software development

What does this even have to do with “software development”? You do know that you can run your American software on European servers and the other way around? We’re well past the PAL vs NTSC thing..

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by veeti »

czhu12 wrote: post #283

What are some examples of applications people are running that: 1. Require 20TB of bandwidth / month 2. That bandwidth can't be shielded by Cloudflare and others? Is it like... real time video streaming? Gaming servers? I can't imagine a web app getting anywhere close to that. I run a mid sized NFT art creation website that generates both images and GIF's ( https://mintables.club ) and with over 100000 users at peak,…

1.5TB isn't much at all but keep in mind that if a "disproportionate percentage" of your Cloudflare bandwidth is used for images they reserve the right to boot you off [1].

https://www.cloudflare.com/service-specific-terms-applicatio...

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by wqaatwt »

TZubiri wrote: post #374

This has nothing to do with Hetzner. It's because of the US tariffs. "I’ve been a big fan of Hetzner. Unfortunately they’ve made a feeble attempt to dress this change up in the name of “fairness”." Hetzner is a company know for it's precise pricing structure. An increase in prices would be correlated to an increase in costs, and in fact the next paragraph Hetzner writes: "With the new tariff structure, we want to mak…

How do you tax internet traffic?

> US imposes tariffs

That didn’t happen yet and isn’t even 100% guaranteed to happen. So maybe it would be reasonable to wait?

Also what makes you think they are shipping their servers from Europe? How is them being an European company even relevant?

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by Y_Y »

foxylad wrote: post #510
Y_Y wrote: post #383

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If they can look it up then so can you! Maybe it filters out lazy scammers, but it doesn't sound like solid KYC to me. In fact I don't feel like a hosting service should need to do this at all. If you pay your bills and aren't on the Stasi blacklist you should be good to go. I don't want or expect the likes of Hetzner to be responsible for policing.

As someone who runs mail servers, I wish they'd be MORE strict to stop the drive-by spammers. Every so often our servers get blocked because someone starts sending spam from a machine on the same netblock. It might be good point-of-difference for some hosting service: have brutal KYC so your netblock is well regarded.

I don't think you can KYC your way to stopping spammers without stepping on some protected classes.

I think that having a blacklist with some ID (bank account, national ID, CA cert) that's hard to replace is a good compromise.

You could try giving people moral purity tests before you let them in (doesn't some of the tildeverse work like that?) but I think it's a dark road.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by Moru »

Aurornis wrote: post #482
BrutalCoding wrote: post #465

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I remember reading something about the Costco hot dog story, quite funny IMO, here's what I just found from 2018: "I came to (Jim Sinegal) once and I said, ‘Jim, we can’t sell this hot dog for a buck fifty. We are losing our rear ends.’ And he said, ‘If you raise the effing hot dog, I will kill you. Figure it out.’ That’s all I really needed. By the way, if you raised (the price) to $1.75, it would not be that big of…

These stories are marketing mythology. Think about. Imagine they sell 100 hot dogs per hour. A $0.25 difference means $25/hr in a store doing many orders of magnitude more revenue each hour. It’s nothing. The way they play it up in the media gets a lot of attention and builds goodwill, but it’s entirely meaningless to their bottom line. It’s amazing that people eat these stories up, though. I’ve heard so many people…

It's also Free Marketing worldwide. Can't compete with that price.

Re: Hetzner cuts traffic on US VPSs, raises prices

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Post by Moru »

cluckindan wrote: post #206
hyperpape wrote: post #181

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As an engineer, if you don't qualify whether your answer is average or max, you've messed up.

As an engineer, NEVER give out averages without checking that they are consistent with the distribution of the actual data.

Don't think you find much engineers in the marketing department though.
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