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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by corint »

toss1 wrote: post #5

Substantial Russian activity also near UK, raises concerns that Russia would cut off UK. [0] Russian ships ‘plotting sabotage in the North Sea’ [1] [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ships...

I mean, the UK has 20+ fibre links to other lands. If one goes down, fine, if a second goes down, it's suspicious. If a third goes down, and there are Russian ships milling about over the location of the.. yes, there goes a fourth, it doesn't take long to realise what's going on.

Now, what the British Navy would do about this I'm not precisely sure. But even to escort the ships away would put a stop to it, and the UK wouldn't be cut off.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by trhway »

nkrisc wrote: post #537
trhway wrote: post #424

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yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…

This would be more concerning if Russia had any tanks left. Are you suggesting Russia has a full invasion force they’re not using in Ukraine? Or to liberate their own occupied territory?

Baltic states have 30K military total combined - Russia loses 20-30K/month in Ukraine. So, with all the respect to the Baltic states military - with them being responsible for the defense of about 700km long strip of land, it isn't about full invasion force, it is about having NATO not responding long enough.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by account42 »

a2800276 wrote: post #543
Etheryte wrote: post #242

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This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

> when it's clear who's done it and why. Is it though? From my understanding it's clearly sabotage, but who's responsible is open to some debate. Compare to NordStream, it's still not officially determined who's responsible.

It's still not officially made public who's responsible.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by account42 »

qingcharles wrote: post #302
Etheryte wrote: post #242

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This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

They just released a statement saying it is sad that they have to be suspicious that it is, perhaps, sabotage: https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/newsroom/news/-/2685132

Oh no, the EU is gasp deeply concerned.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by peutetre »

vasco wrote: post #567
mciancia wrote: post #560

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> people are thirsty for War, looks like Russians, yes

I wish I lived in a world where it's so easy to know who is good and who is evil and to pinpoint them so well.

You do. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not an ambiguous war. Russia is plainly in the wrong.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by sabbaticaldev »

Sabinus wrote: post #549
sabbaticaldev wrote: post #515

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Same is said about the english, spanish, french, dutch colonizers, still didn’t pay for wreaking the world in their favor.

But for the French they all got rid of their colonies. Russia's historical land empire lives on, and the breakup of their most recent greater one is mourned by their current leader. Lets have some perspective.

great example, the french. Still encrusted north of brazil and calling themselves part of the Amazon. you really should have some perspective

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by belter »

staplung wrote: post #63

It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…

"Germany’s defense minister says damage to 2 Baltic data cables appears to be sabotage" - https://apnews.com/article/germany-finland-baltic-data-cable...

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by jojobas »

petre wrote: post #398
jojobas wrote: post #342

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Western countries have intelligence services with sabotage departments and in general are not above blowing up things their leaders don't like. If the CIA or US Navy don't have the technical means to blow up the Crimea bridge with plausible deniability they haven't been paying attention.

Thry do but it only benefits Ukraine. So they're the ones who should blow it up, preferably with with weapons of their own in order to avoid NATO escalation. Just lke the Moskva sinking.

If Russian leadership doesn't change there's just no chance it will stop at Ukraine. Next those sharing your sentiment will say "it only benefits Poland".
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