As soon as they integrate a good wolfram alpha and allow me solve math and physics problems with accuracy I'll be excited.
ChatGPT Search
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I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…
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I know the internet lately incentivizes low effort comments like this but be better.
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#573I played around with it a bit, here are some hot takes. For context, I first tried this procession of searches on the Mac OS app. 1. "Who won the world series" 2. Who was the MVP?" 3. "Give me his bio" My observations: 1. UX: The "search" button feels oddly placed, but I can't put my finger on it. But once I got it is a toggle, it wasn't a bit deal. 2. The first result had 3 logos, headlines and timestamps delineated…
I asked “Find me articles about the World Series MVP.” ChatGPT returned snippets and URLs from: MLB Reuters AP NYPost and FoxSports.
I asked “Please find articles about planning a Thanksgiving meal for a family reunion.” It returned links to: GatheredAgain FavFamilyRecipes TastesBetterFromScratch etc. I like that it is returning niche sites I do not know about.
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Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…
Despite all the comments it still works pretty well for me. I feel like they've improved it a bit in the last year or so so you don't get way too much Quora and GitHub/Stackoverflow clones. The level of sponsored results for some queries is way OTT, and obviously any kind of search like "best laptop 2024" is never going to give you good results (probably because they don't exist), but other than that I'm still pretty…
good "best laptop 2024" search results, absolutely exist, but they have to be heavily personalized towards user and i dont think we adjusted to such levels of in search (we have expectations of median/commonality there)
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#575So was the plan to fuck up google search so bad that only AI can still search the internet or what? cause otherwise this is a nonsensical feature
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#576I maintain a little page titled "Misc. information I want search engines to find"[1] and so I asked ChatGPT things that are answered there: "How much tea tree oil by volume is in Dr Bronners tea tree oil liquid soap?" A. ... However, the exact volume or percentage of tea tree oil in the formulation is not publicly disclosed by the manufacturer. (which is incorrect, as the manufacturer disclosed it to me and I publish…
Why should anyone trust your page though about Dr Bronners tea tree oil? "Not publicly disclosed" seems like the better answer compared to citing some random yahoo on the web who may be lying.
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#577Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm also cautiously optimistic though. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a bit shakey for a minute or two. But I don't understand how all of these AI results (note I haven't used Kagi so I don't know if it's different) don't fundamentally and irretrievably break the economics of the web. The "old deal" if you will is that many publishers would put stuff out on the web for free, but then with the hope that they cou…
> Why would anyone ever publish stuff on the web for free unless it was just a hobby That's exactly what the old deal was, and it's what made the old web so good. If every paid or ad-funded site died tomorrow, the web would be pretty much healed.
Paging Sergey
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#578Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm also cautiously optimistic though. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a bit shakey for a minute or two. But I don't understand how all of these AI results (note I haven't used Kagi so I don't know if it's different) don't fundamentally and irretrievably break the economics of the web. The "old deal" if you will is that many publishers would put stuff out on the web for free, but then with the hope that they cou…
> Why would anyone ever publish stuff on the web for free unless it was just a hobby That's exactly what the old deal was, and it's what made the old web so good. If every paid or ad-funded site died tomorrow, the web would be pretty much healed.
That's a bit too simple. There is way fewer people producing quality content "for fun" than people that aim or at least eventually hope to make money from it.
Yes a few sites take this too far and ruin search results for everyone. But taking the possibility away would also cut the produced content by a lot.
Youtube for example had some good content before monetization, but there is a lot of great documentary like channels now that simply wouldn't be possible without ads. There is also clickbait trash yes, but I rather have both than neither.
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#579Earlier quoted context omitted.
I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…
> I'm also cautiously optimistic though. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a bit shakey for a minute or two. But I don't understand how all of these AI results (note I haven't used Kagi so I don't know if it's different) don't fundamentally and irretrievably break the economics of the web. The "old deal" if you will is that many publishers would put stuff out on the web for free, but then with the hope that they cou…
> Can someone please explain how the open web, at least the part of the web the requires some sort of viable funding model for creators, can survive this?
The funding model for the open web will be for the open web content to be the top of the funnel for curated content and/or walled gardens.
I think many business models already treated the web this way. Specifically, get people away from the 800-pound gorilla rent-seekers like Google and Amazon, and get them into your own ecosystem.
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#580Earlier quoted context omitted.
I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…
> I'm also cautiously optimistic though. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a bit shakey for a minute or two. But I don't understand how all of these AI results (note I haven't used Kagi so I don't know if it's different) don't fundamentally and irretrievably break the economics of the web. The "old deal" if you will is that many publishers would put stuff out on the web for free, but then with the hope that they cou…
> the history of the domestication of the tomato" that Google essentially forced on recipe sites for SEO competitive reasons
That may help with SEO, but another reason is copyright law.
Recipes can't be copyrighted, but stories can. Here is how ChatGPT explained it to me:
> Recipes themselves, particularly the list of ingredients and steps, generally can't be copyrighted because they're considered functional instructions. However, the unique way a recipe is presented—such as personal stories, anecdotes, or detailed explanations—can be copyrighted. By adding this extra content, bloggers and recipe creators can make their work distinctive and protectable under copyright law, which also encourages people to stay on their page longer (a bonus for ad revenue).
> In many cases, though, bloggers also do this to build a connection with readers, share cooking tips, or explain why a recipe is special to them. So while copyright plays a role, storytelling has other motivations, too.