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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by 1659447091 »

gnatolf wrote: post #312
1659447091 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding Unless I'm missing something about Canvas, gh CoPilot Chat (which is basically ChatGPT?) integrates inline into IntelliJ. Start a chat from line numbers and it provides a diff before applying or refining.

> which is basically ChatGPT? Yea, I'm wondering the same. Is there any good resource to look up whether copilot follows the ChatGPT updates? I would be renewing my subscription, but it does not feel like it has improved similarly to how the new models have...

I check the GitHub blog[0] from time to time. They also have a RSS feed if you'd prefer that. The is also a waitlist for o1 access you may sign up for[1]

[0] https://github.blog/changelog/label/copilot/

[1] https://github.blog/changelog/2024-09-19-sign-up-for-openai-...

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by yunohn »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

The primary issue is that IDEA and other editors don’t allow the level of flexibility and customizability needed to make new experiences, unlike VSCode. Whether new solutions need to fork it or not is a different question. For example, Cursor absolutely has made significant changes for user benefit that stock VSCode with Copilot doesn’t have.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by epolanski »

vlunkr wrote: post #462
epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

It’s hardly the first time someone has shipped an app within a year of starting to code. It’s impressive, but not revolutionary.

Nono, he has shipped an app before learning to code.

The fact that he liked and enjoyed coding was what actually prompted him into learning to code after that first experience.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by amelius »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

The main issue I have is that I have to share my code. My employer won't allow it (they don't even allow us to use gmail).

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by underlines »

amelius wrote: post #574
joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

The main issue I have is that I have to share my code. My employer won't allow it (they don't even allow us to use gmail).

You either do local inference or get Azure OpenAI to have your own private gpt-4o or whatever. :)

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by NeoTar »

mooktakim wrote: post #564
stefankorun wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it not though? It's not a guarantee but definitely an indication.

Not really. Only thing you can guarantee is things change.

Let’s just throw away all past experience then?

It’s a mistake to assume that there will be 100% correlation between the past and future, but it’s probably as bad of a mistake to assume 0% correlation. (Obviously dependant on exactly what you are looking at).

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by hackable_sand »

mooktakim wrote: post #534
joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.

Falling behind what?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by shafyy »

mooktakim wrote: post #534
joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.

This is exactly what OpenAI and other want you to believe. "OH NO, I need to use LLMs for coding otherwise I will fall behind". No, no. Most of what makes a good software engineer cannot be replaced by LLMs. A good software engineer has a deep understanding of the problem space, works on the right things, and elevates their team members by coaching, helping etc. It's not about how fast you type your code.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by dartos »

mooktakim wrote: post #534
joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.

I refuse to believe there were ever editors before vim.

Vim has been around since the Stone Age.

Jokes aside, I don’t really see why ai tools need new editors vs plugins EXCEPT that they don’t want to have to compete with Microsoft’s first party AI offerings in vscode.

It’s just a strategy for lock-in.

An exception may be like zed, which provides a lot of features besides AI integration which require a new editor.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by smrtinsert »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

A million times this. I have 0 interest in this product.
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