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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by kjkjadksj »

TMWNN wrote: post #450
noduerme wrote: post #322

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> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

>One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? I will speak from the perspective of one who emigrated to the US. Every new group is initially seen as "the other". After some point, however, employers that hire "the other" may find that they can pay them less because there is less demand to hire them, and thus benefit financially, they hire more. As other employers follow suit, over time the sa…

Are we really grouping all black people in one group here? The only thing that matters is income in the US. A poor white and a poor black have a lot in common, and the reason why we tend to have poorer black vs whites is because of lasting damage from institutional racism over the last century that precluded many opportunities contemporary whites had to begin building generational wealth. It’s that simple. That being said, generational wealth among the black population has been building all this time. There are black communities today that have very high income levels and rates of homeownership.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

roamerz wrote: post #542
BenFranklin100 wrote: post #503

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If voters are concerned about crime, then the need to educated that immigrants, even illegal immigrants, have crime rates about the same as Americans at large.

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Oh come on. Every human population has insane people. Lets not bite hook line and sinker into conservative biases.

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Post by CamelCaseName »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #500

The United States is singular in its ability to assimilate immigrants. It is our one true superpower. The people who come to our country, like these Cubans fleeing their country, often come from societies where they lack freedoms Americans take for granted. Many Americans scarcely even acknowledge these freedoms but immigrants with their outside eye see them clearly. In doing so they refresh our founding ideals of li…

What a cruel thing to say when it is precisely because of the United States that the Cuban economy has been thoroughly crushed.

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Post by zapperdulchen »

thegrim33 wrote: post #405
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #365

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Australia has a large number of ethnic groups, media and the far right claims similar issues. Using statistics on the background of prisoners, in Australia, most non-white ethnic groups have lower representation in prison compared to their percentage of the population when compared to white Australians. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

I wanted to verify the claim from your post/wikipedia link, as I don't believe it's true, but it's kind of a shame that wikipedia accepts a link to a 238 page report as the citation for a claim. It should at least refer to a specific page or section in the report. I don't want to hunt through hundreds of pages of this report to verify the claim. The report also doesn't have any sort of "conclusions" section so there'…

According to this statistic https://www.statista.com/statistics/1411761/australia-share-... Indigenous Australians are significantly overrepresented in the prison population. As of 2022, Indigenous Australians made up 31.8% of the prison population, despite constituting only about 3.3% of the total population. Because of this massive overrepresentation, it might well be that other non-white ethnic groups are underrepresented. It's statistic and doesn't tell why one minority ends up in jail so often.

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Post by mrsalt »

np- wrote: post #359
torpfactory wrote: post #183

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There’s a very sizable number of low paying, dirty, dangerous, and/or boring jobs that we can’t find enough locals to do. Think farm hands, home care aides, meat processors, etc. Unskilled immigrants do those jobs because that’s what is available to them (I.e unskilled). If they weren’t doing those jobs, we’d have to pay significantly more for the goods and services that labor depends on. Immigrant labor is disinflat…

I’m always deeply uncomfortable with this argument. It sounds like justification for a “slave” class to do undesirable jobs with no legal protections and sub minimum wage, just so Americans can save a few bucks at the supermarket. But at what moral cost? We can’t have it both ways—if they’re here working, then it needs to be at full American wage with full American regulation/oversight. But that itself defeats the pu…

Why is it uncomfortable? It is the reality, and no one important wants to change it.

There are plenty of immigrants working under the table. And there are plenty of employers willing to hire them.

We do have it both ways.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

TheRoque wrote: post #321
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success And I find it so tragic. It means that the best elements of a given country are being sucked out of it. How can this country ever get better if the best elements just leave it ? Immigration exists because some parts of the world just suck, with corrupt governments, wars, you name it. I don't see how anyone can be ha…

Its only tragic if you think of the world as a bunch of sports teams winning points, rather than a planet occupied by the human race. Would you rather the researcher toil fruitlessly in their home country that lacks the funding to properly support a good research environment? Or would you rather they had the opportunity to actually conduct their experiments or build their invention? They will draft a patent or a research paper that the entire world can now see coming from the US.

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Post by nradov »

joecool1029 wrote: post #338
nradov wrote: post #154

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I agree with you, but if Cuba wants better Internet access there's nothing stopping them from landing an underwater cable in Mexico. It's about the same distance.

Except Mexican government has a relationship with the US government and if US says 'don't do this' to Mexico there's not much upside to them going through with it. Also maybe consider this? A substantial amount of news/rhetoric in the US revolves around US/Mexico border problems. Do you think Cuban expats want Cuba to be associated with Mexico in any way?

Nonsense. Mexico already has an active trade relationship with Cuba. The US hasn't done anything about it.

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Post by FredPret »

foobarian wrote: post #397
deaddodo wrote: post #327

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There was as much (more, even) pressure on the Italians and Irish to do the same. But, to add to and enforce OP's point, their cultures were a larger schism away and they instead held on and entrenched their identities (to their objective detriment, no matter your moral stance). Meanwhile, Anglo, Franco, German, Dutch, etc cultures all kind of melded into the early "White American" identity; due to the general ease o…

How much difference is there, really, between various European nationalities? They are all white and Christian, using similar language and script, mostly the difference is in the Christian denomination.

About 1000x more than the difference between US states

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Post by scrubs »

gottorf wrote: post #201
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

I support immigration. I know a ton of university educated parents who either came here so or paid msrp price at American universities to get their education. And their kids all went to American universities. Through undergrad they got no free rides or scholarships either. They're smart and went to places like Emory or CMU.

But why is so damn hard to also solidly insist on an orderly border? The US is a proper country with borders. It cannot be if you shoot or sneak in you're served like the wilds of old western bar frontier living. That's not operationally effective.

I want both.

It's congress far, far, far more than any president that is responsible for taking a 0 on all this.

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