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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by cthalupa »

aidenn0 wrote: post #519
cthalupa wrote: post #488

I'm convinced it's not that we stagnate in our ability to like new things, it's just that we stop exposing ourselves to it, and it's reinforced by the algorithms focusing on stuff we do like when we rely on them for recommendations. If you purposefully seek out exposure to new things, you'll find stuff you like, regardless of age. I have a friend that brings me along to all sorts of concerts that are well out of the…

The more novel the thing is, the more likely it is that you won't like it. I can tell if I'm truly exposing myself to new music by how often I hear a song and say "Yeah, that's just not for me." It makes sense that by the time one is in their 30s they say "I have 1000 songs I know I like, why do I need to look for more songs, many of which I won't like" Which is basically a long winded way of responding to: > I don't…

> There's a non-zero cost to seeking out new things, so the "special way you are wired" involves considering that cost to be worth it.

Sure, but my (perhaps incorrect?) assumption is that most people are doing that with something. For me, music is one of those somethings. For others, it isn't.

I have no data to support it beyond my personal anecdotes, but I believe that the majority of people are still seeking out exposure to new experiences in at least some hobbies or interests past the early 30s number given in the article. I would hazard a guess that that time might be when people become particularly more selective in the sort of new things they want to experience.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by graeme »

inbetween wrote: post #400
graeme wrote: post #365

For anyone who wants a good source of random music, radio Canada has a great French station with an excellent show “l’effet pogonat”. You won’t understand the host if you don’t speak French but the station is mostly songs and I’ve found so many good ones there. The Montreal Gazette had a good write up: https://montrealgazette.com/news/pop-goes-the-world-ici-musi...

This is fantastic, thank you so much. It reminds me of the Bernard Lenoir show on France Inter back in the days. Will be spending days digging this new treasure trove from Montreal :)

Glad to help! Fehmiu's show is also good. And I should add that once I loaded the song's into Apple Music and started favoriting + adding to playlist, Apple has been able to suggest many similar songs and artists for me. I'm sure Spotify etc can do the same.

The station really shook up my recommendations

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by RobKohr »

tzs wrote: post #166

For people in their mid-30s and beyond I think a big factor in them commonly perceiving that today's popular music sucks compared to the popular music of their teens and twenties is that when they listen to music from their younger days now it is a small subset of what they were actually listening to back then. For example my teens and twenties were in the '70s and '80s. If I decide I want to listen to music from tho…

SXM satellite radio has channels based on decades, and they often do top 100 countdowns for this day in that decade, and for the most part the selection is absolute crap until they get to the top 5-10.

So, yeah, survivorship bias is what you are seeing here, and only the best 0.1% of songs of any decade will be played decades later.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by fennecbutt »

Music just plays with the signals in our brains, just like drugs, food, feelings and pretty much all input does.

One day, an AI invented a new song, one that could never be heard, for it was outside the range of human hearing. But all who heard it wept with anger, sadness and finally joy; for the song pulled levers and pressed buttons inside our brains, and made us want to buy Coca Cola.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by kristopolous »

inbetween wrote: post #404
kristopolous wrote: post #30

I've got a rather wonky way of doing this. https://github.com/kristopolous/music-explorer I've been building systems to find new music for 18 years or so. This latest one I've been using since early 2020. It's really for just me so sorry if the documentation is a little scattered. I'm certainly doing some minor ToS violations all over the place with this thing so I don't want it to get too popular but I'll be happy t…

This looks great - how do you then keep the subset that you want to continue listening to in the longer term? Is there an "extract to my music collection" feature - or is this your music repository?

There's a player with a repl. It puts your scoring in a flat file which you can run simple unix tools on and do with what you wish

There's a bit of Perlis's turing tarpit here but it's intentional

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

goosejuice wrote: post #569
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like a parody of Western individualism

Why exactly do you care if music you enjoy listening to is also enjoyed by others? If you enjoy it and the musicians are making it what else is there? Plenty of artists are just making art for themselves.

Plenty of people live in the woods. If we all lived in the woods everything would be fine! I'm sure our GDP wouldn't fall and no one would starve to death at all. Nope; Not a bit.

Why don't we all just wear VR headsets all day?

LOL enjoy your atomized Balkanized tower of Babel existence. If it has to be explained then you're consitutionally incapable of understanding it anyway.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by goosejuice »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #578
goosejuice wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why exactly do you care if music you enjoy listening to is also enjoyed by others? If you enjoy it and the musicians are making it what else is there? Plenty of artists are just making art for themselves.

Plenty of people live in the woods. If we all lived in the woods everything would be fine! I'm sure our GDP wouldn't fall and no one would starve to death at all. Nope; Not a bit. Why don't we all just wear VR headsets all day? LOL enjoy your atomized Balkanized tower of Babel existence. If it has to be explained then you're consitutionally incapable of understanding it anyway.

I think you're thinking way to hard about this my friend. What part of seeing a local band at a bar or listening to family members make music leads you to bring up GDP and VR? Either you're completely misunderstanding this discussion or you're extremely out of touch.
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