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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by falsandtru »

dang wrote: post #243
falsandtru wrote: post #240

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> Once I unkilled it, it went back from [flagged][dead] to just [flagged], and it went back to being visible to everyone whether they are logged in or not, or have 'showdead' turned on or not. In other words, you resurrected the deleted text. I just hope this conversation will not be deleted/flagged again and become unreadable.

I don't want to argue definitions. If you prefer to call a comment 'deleted' which anyone with 'showdead' turned on in their profile can read, that's fine. On HN, we've always used the word 'dead' for that class of comments.

I don't want to argue about what to call it. I just confirmed the fact that the text that was deleted and made unreadable is back to readable. Still, I'm surprised that comments are sometimes hidden from even being present here.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

xvector wrote: post #264
hef19898 wrote: post #244

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All the time, huh? Not the usual lawyer intimidation, pressure and PI surveillenace, but actual murder? Ok, can you link to cases then? In the US or Europe or some place like this, not Africa or some developing country where western companies run amok at times. And also some recent ones, in the last 20 years or so?

Okay. - Jeffrey Epstein (2019, US): no explanation needed. - Michael Hastings (2013, USA): Journalist known for his critical reporting on the US military, died in a car crash consistent with a car cyberattack (maximum speed/brake tampering, body charred beyond recognition) amidst national security investigations he was involved in. Expressed concerns his car had been tampered with and that he was being targeted hours…

On a related note, Alexander Litvenenko's death from polonium poisoning. If the Kremlin agents had handled the polonium with more care and not left a radiation trail a blind man could follow, it would have been a case of mysterious deterioration and a tragedy but not a murder.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by salawat »

JohnBooty wrote: post #534
salawat wrote: post #511

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Regardless, as a practitioner in the Quality field, I find the timing exceedingly suspect. Even if Boeing did rip him a new one in deposition, (which 32 years of employment and a documentation heavy culture more than equips a legal department to do) you don't close the ticket until it's resolved. He may have intended to do this all along; but not before all the dirty laundry got aired. There is no way that any of thi…

Even if Boeing did rip him a new one in deposition, (which 32 years of employment and a documentation heavy culture more than equips a legal department to do) There is no joy in this situation whatsoever but if these weren't matters of life and death, it would be darkly humorous to imagine Boeing's legal team attempting to simultaneously explain that he was a bad employee and that they for some reason chose to employ…

I'm really trying to steel man the suicide angle. If he was unstable enough coming out to go through with suicide, but according to all other sources was eager and ready going in, that'd suggest something happened between time_entrance & time_left that reduced a man with the conviction to take on his employer of 32 years on behalf of the public and his own standards; to a suicidal wreck.

Either A) They seriously ripped him a new one, by presenting evidence that countered the accusations being levied in his case sufficiently that he realized there was no further point going on.

or through rhetoric, or trickery, opposing council got him to believe that it was all his fault somehow.

B I can see, maybe. As someone whose done the work before, in spite of hostile management even, it iis very easy for a company to drum up every mistake or failure ever committed to paper. Sitting through 32 years of opposing council's best attempts to discredit you would be rough.

A I just can't see. Not with what we know. I could even understand a suicide after all depositions were done. We all collect ghosts; and they haunt us so well. Not before every last name was named. I dotted, and T crossed.

I suppose a C) could be an offer that couldn't be refused that would ensure his family'd be taken care of, but even that'd be ludicrous given what he already knew of their trustworthyness.

I guess I'll have to wait for things to end up in RECAP to read and make a conclusive decision.

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Post by salawat »

furyg3 wrote: post #265
yifanl wrote: post #61

I'm just going to take this story at face value, there's an infinite number of alternate explanations that I'd be powerless to talk about. I've had my own (thankfully brief) moments where I've thought about suicide just from the perception that my coworkers, my bosses, the entire world, just does not care about doing the right thing. Mr Barnett worked for the same company for over three decades and physically watched…

Just to chime in on the 'alternate explanations', I think it's important for anyone with conspiracy ideas to remember that the case he was being questioned in was not an investigation into Boeings liability as an airplane manufacturer, but rather a civil suit he made against Boeing for defamation of character.

In which any evidence admitted or discovered in his case would become potential admissable evidence that could be leveraged in the Fed's criminal probe as a matter of public record. And since it was a defamation suit, his entire history was discovery fodder with a much lower bar to cross for subpoena's or discovery than the criminal probe would be. Then there's potential leaksge to the media and public (and thereby regulators) of exactly what to look for.

Don't stop thinking at the first order consequence/event. There is generally much more to it.

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Post by falsandtru »

falsandtru wrote: post #351
willis936 wrote: post #338

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Jon Stewart has a crusade against MSM for their role in the US-Iraq War. Is he dogwhistling to the far right when he uses the term?

Knowledge alone is enough to say thank you. There would be no need to be so careful in saying a simple thank you.

It wasn't. The downvote told me that here is the place to be careful about saying thank you. Well, those who downvote against thank you will downvote anything.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by treebeard901 »

Change this to Russia and what is your first thought? Another mysterious death...

In a way it's better to indirectly choke a whistleblower to the point of death than to have to make them shoot themseleves twice in the back of the head on throw themselves off a skyscraper. That sort of thing.

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

hayst4ck wrote: post #562
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #465

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> The right are known for lying with the truth which makes a good amount of their rhetoric stick. replace right with humans, the left is also known for lying, which is why both sides are constantly bitching at each other. The extremes of both sides are just as shitty. One side would create harm via religion, the other side via reputation destruction.

> the left is also known for lying, Democrats are known for lying for sure. Establishment democrats like Pelosi, definitely. If that's what "left" references OK, I don't really disagree. AOC and Bernie, Stewart, and other progressives are not generally known for lying. > which is why both sides are constantly bitching at each other. No. This is some weird false equivalency thing that is popular with "enlightened" peo…

this is about as perfect an example of the problem as you can have.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

throwanem wrote: post #570
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #545

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We do have information. the guy is a whistleblower, went to court day 1, missed court day 2, and was found dead in his vehicle of unnatural causes. attaching the adjective vacuous doesn't actually strengthen your point.

Leaving out "self-inflicted" obliterates yours.

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Post by unethical_ban »

lawn wrote: post #509
kube-system wrote: post #506

A piece of information in this article which is not in that article: > The family says Barnett's health declined because of the stresses of taking a stand against his longtime employer. > "He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing," they said, "which we believe led to his death."

Driving someone to suicide is also a direct cause of death, and should be treated as such.

Instagram would be shut down if we knew how many teens commit self harm as a direct result of it.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by throwanem »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #578
throwanem wrote: post #570

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Leaving out "self-inflicted" obliterates yours.

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Enough at least to reserve substantive comment until I have enough sense of what I'd be talking about to have something worthwhile to say. Takes all kinds to make a world, though.
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