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Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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I’ve been a netlify user since 2017 and I just deleted all my sites. I can’t risk receiving a $100k bill for toy projects. Your “current policy” is not good enough.

I agree and also delete my account. The only "fix" here is to act like Hetzner and null route upon DDoS, price cap the thing, or offer unlimited bandwidth on the free tier like e.g. Cloudflare Pages. Uncapped but paid is a recipe for disaster and you'll always be subject to the will of the support staff when something happens. If they can grasp to a straw leading to suspicions that it's not in fact a DDoS attack, you…

Hetzner dedicated servers are (true) unmetered with 1 gbit connection. (can be upgraded).

https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ax/

With a 48 core Epyc or 80 core arm server, one really shouldnt need much more for a middling project. There are enterprises who run entire services on such hardware.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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but instead forgiving any bills from legitimate mistakes after the fact What are these legitimate mistakes?

Presumably the "mistakes" mean failures to detect/recognize "attack patterns".

Wouldn't that imply that a person whose site legitimately went viral would be stuck with the $100k bill?

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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That's because amazon and big telecom convinced you that bandwidth is expensive. It isn't. Once the equipment is there, you might as well use it.

Wouldn't there be at least a handful of competitors if the economics worked out that way?

Have you not... looked? They exist - arguably too many of them. Clouds aren't a good indicator of reasonable pricing.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Netlify CEO here. Our support team has reached out to the user from the thread to let them know they're not getting charged for this. It's currently our policy to not shut down free sites during traffic spikes that doesn't match attack patterns, but instead forgiving any bills from legitimate mistakes after the fact. Apologies that this didn't come through in the initial support reply.

I’ve been a netlify user since 2017 and I just deleted all my sites. I can’t risk receiving a $100k bill for toy projects. Your “current policy” is not good enough.

Starting to wonder if this whole thing was an elaborate ploy by Netlify to cull the herd of longstanding, non-paying accounts.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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This is my worst nightmare as a bootstrapped founder. And that there's no way to put a limit on spend is ridiculous. Someone that doesn't want me to do well can simply ddos me into bankruptcy out of nowhere. Just went through Vercel's docs: --- "Vercel helps to mitigate against L3 and L4 DDoS attacks at the platform level. Usage will be incurred for requests that are successfully served prior to us automatically miti…

Use a token bucket on your web server to catch abusive IPs and then blackhole them using `iptables -t raw -I PREROUTING -s ip -j DROP`. I know. I run https://ipv4.games/ which invites hackers to unleash their botnets, and the service runs on a small VM with only a few cores. It's been attacked by botnets with 49,131,669 IP addresses. There's no Cloudflare frontend or anything like that, because back when I used Cloud…

Eventually you're probably going to want an ipset, at least. Otherwise processing your chain will continuously cost more, and more, and more.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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1. Yes. We've forgiven lots and lots of bills over the last 9 years and they haven't gone viral 2. While I've always favored erring towards keeping people's sites up we are currently working on changing the default behavior to never let free sites incur overages

Any cloud platform should have a spend-stop amount built in. i.e. if I know I average $10 a day, I should be able to put in a "If it hits $50, email me and take it offline". Of course the opposite problem is then people setting that limit too low but since the user defines the limit that's on them not you. This is one of the reasons I still in 2024 rent physical boxes and run the modern stuff on top of them directly,…

If a cloud platform offers such a limit, but the user fails to set it up, then uses $100,000 of bandwidth, is the platform then justified in NOT forgiving the bill?

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Any cloud platform should have a spend-stop amount built in. i.e. if I know I average $10 a day, I should be able to put in a "If it hits $50, email me and take it offline". Of course the opposite problem is then people setting that limit too low but since the user defines the limit that's on them not you. This is one of the reasons I still in 2024 rent physical boxes and run the modern stuff on top of them directly,…

This is something I really like about Nearly Free Speech.net. Their model is that you deposit funds up front, and they will deduct from those funds as you use services. It helps that they actually are nearly free so that a single $20 deposit can last for months or years in many cases. It's bizarre to me that more services don't support billing this way, since there are tons of situations where I would much rather hav…

Yes it’s nice like that. Specially for side projects on AWS that could go wrong on your personal credit card. Also I heard they forgave bills sometimes.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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I’ve been a netlify user since 2017 and I just deleted all my sites. I can’t risk receiving a $100k bill for toy projects. Your “current policy” is not good enough.

Same. Toy project and it’s not worth the risk of using netlify. What’s a good, simple alternative for a VueJS app?

Cloudflare pages is pretty much drop in for netlify. And it has unlimited bandwidth for free (at least in theory. Guess they might call you if your site does 1 petabyte per hour)

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Netlify CEO here. Our support team has reached out to the user from the thread to let them know they're not getting charged for this. It's currently our policy to not shut down free sites during traffic spikes that doesn't match attack patterns, but instead forgiving any bills from legitimate mistakes after the fact. Apologies that this didn't come through in the initial support reply.

Never used "netlify", but to me a product is broken if you are using the words free and bill together.

I wont touch a fake free service if it requires a payment method. Want my money, give me a reason to pay you, dont trick me into paying you.

Temped to go fuzz your product and document other dark patterns...

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Some quick back of napkin math says 190TB would cost about $12k in AWS cloudfront costs.

FYI: From my experience, if you do more the 20-25TB, you can get 75% off no questions asked.

If you’re regularly a large customer like that, seems like just moving to AWS directly would make the most sense right?
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