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Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#572Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or…
> If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. > If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something el…
This is a much more reasonable question, but not the problem Google was facing. Google's AI was simply giving objectively wrong responses in plainly black and white scenarios, pun intended? None of the Founding Father's was black, and so making one of them black is plainly wrong. Google's interpretation of "US senator from the 1800s" includes exactly 0 people that would even remotely plausibly fit the bill; instead it offers up an Asian man and 3 ethnic women, including one in full-on Native American garb. It's just a completely garbage response that has nothing to do with your, again much more reasonable, question.
Rather than some deep philosophical question, I think output that doesn't make one immediately go "Erm? No, that's completely ridiculous." is probably a reasonable benchmark for Google to aim for, and for now they still seem a good deal away.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#573Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Why does google dislike white people? Because it is currently in fashion to do so. >What does this have to do with corporate greed? It has to do with a lot of things, but specifically greed-related the very fastest way to lose money or damage your brand is to offend someone that has access to large social reach. So better for them to err on the side of safety.
This is a straw man. It's recognizing and mitigating systemic bias, where there is currently a massive bias for whiteness, maleness, heterosexuality, etc. Consider that 65% of the US population is not white and male, yet something like 85% of the leading characters in all media are... white and male. If you're going to argue that systemic bias does not exist, and that it's some kind of trendy passing fad to pretend t…
Anti-racism is racism. Systems to "mitigate systemic bias" are systemic bias, and explicitly so, which makes them far more evil.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#574Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time Why is this a "problem"? If you want an image of a nurse of a different ethnicity, ask for it.
right? UX problem masqueraded as something else always funniest when software professionals fall for that I think google’s model is funny, and over compensating, but the generic prompts are lazy
One of the complaints about this specific model is that it tends to reject your request if you ask for white skin color, but not if you request e.g. asians.
In general I agree the user should be expected to specify it.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#575Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. > If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something el…
I agree there aren't any perfect solutions, but a reasonable solution is to go 1) if the user specifies, generally accept that (none of these providers will be willing to do so without some safeguards, but for the most part there are few compelling reasons not to), 2) if the user doesn't specify , priority one ought to be that it is consistent with history and setting, and only then do you aim for plausible diversity…
Why not just randomize the gender, age, race, etc and be done with it? That way if someone is offended or under- or over-represented it will only be by accident.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#576Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. > If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something el…
I feel like the answer is pretty clear. Each country will need to develop models that conform to their own national identity and politics. Things are biased only in context, not universally. An American model would appear biased in Brazil. A Chinese model would appear biased in France. A model for a LGBT+ community would appear biased to a Baptist Church. I think this is a strong argument for open models. There could…
> I feel like the answer is pretty clear. Each country will need to develop models that conform to their own national identity and politics. Things are biased only in context, not universally. An American model would appear biased in Brazil. A Chinese model would appear biased in France. A model for a LGBT+ community would appear biased to a Baptist Church.
I would prefer if I can set my preferences so that I get an excellent experience. The model can default to the country or language group you're using it in, but my personal preferences and context should be catered to, if we want maximum utility.
The operator of the model should not wag their finger at me and say my preferences can cause harm to others and prevent me from exercising those preferences. If I want to see two black men kissing in an image, don't lecture me, you don't know me so judging me in that way is arrogant and paternalistic.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#577Why does google dislike white people? What does this have to do with corporate greed? (which you could always assume when a company does something bad)
I think it's kinda the opposite of greed.
Google is sitting on a machine that was built by earlier generations and generates about $1B/day without much effort.
And that means they can instead put effort into things they're passionate about.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
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Sure: Kendi, Ibram X.
> Kendi, Ibram X. What specifically is "hyper-racist" about him? I read his wikipedia entry and didn't find anything "hyper-racist" about him.
I'm just hearing this term for the first time, but let me give it a shot. Racism is bias based on race. In the rural south near me, the racism that I see looks like this: black person gets a few weird looks, and they need to be extra-polite to gain someone's trust. It's not a belief that every single black person shares the foibles of the worst of their race.
Ibram X Kendi (Real name Henry Rogers), on the other hand, seems to believe that it is impossible for a white person to be good. We are somehow all racist, and all responsible for slavery.
The latter is simply more racist. The former is simply using race as a data point, which isn't kind or fair, but it is understandable. Kendi's approach is moral judgement based on skin color, with the only way out being perpetual genuflection.
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
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Do you have sources for these events? I’d like to read them. Thanks!
I thought that a Yale speaker giving a public talk disparaging white people where they say they fantasize about shooting white people in the head was pretty extreme[1]. Even more so since it didn’t seem to bother the attendees there, and there was no push back until someone leaked the audio a few months later. If the audio hadn’t leaked, it seems like Yale and the attendees would have just considered that a normal lecture.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/yale-says-lecture-fanta...
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#580Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Why does google dislike white people? Because it is currently in fashion to do so. >What does this have to do with corporate greed? It has to do with a lot of things, but specifically greed-related the very fastest way to lose money or damage your brand is to offend someone that has access to large social reach. So better for them to err on the side of safety.
This is a straw man. It's recognizing and mitigating systemic bias, where there is currently a massive bias for whiteness, maleness, heterosexuality, etc. Consider that 65% of the US population is not white and male, yet something like 85% of the leading characters in all media are... white and male. If you're going to argue that systemic bias does not exist, and that it's some kind of trendy passing fad to pretend t…
It's not some passing fad. Companies and institutes have been very open and self-declaring about viewing "whiteness" as a bad thing and explicit about wanting to have fewer white people in desirable positions or depicted