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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by moritzwarhier »

bogwog wrote: post #449
surajrmal wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google announced they surpassed 100 million subscriptions to Google one already and $15B in revenue for subscriptions (between YouTube premium, TV and Google one). I'm not sure your estimate is realistic.

I recently learned that my mother is subscribed to Google One. when I asked her why, she didn't even know what it was. IIRC she has like 1-2TB of cloud storage, but is only using like 10 gb of it. I wonder how many of those 100 million subscribers are non-techy people who accidentally signed up?

I can understand this as a person who once recommended Android to his parents when it gained traction (nexus 7 days, great concept ruined by terrible eMMC storage amd other hardware flaws to compete on price though).

On the other hand, I am a "loyal" G customer and I never felt pushed into this. I pay for YT premium and iCloud+ (the equivalent to Google one, albeit with much less storage).

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by Laaas »

Zetobal wrote: post #564
jimmyl02 wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you can disable the data being used from training by turning off gemini app activity. > You can turn Gemini Apps Activity off If you don’t want future conversations reviewed or used to improve machine-learning models, turn off Gemini Apps Activity Opens in a new window .

And you can be sure it will reset with every update.

That wouldn't be legal I think.

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Post by chromeunagi »

Zetobal wrote: post #564
jimmyl02 wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you can disable the data being used from training by turning off gemini app activity. > You can turn Gemini Apps Activity off If you don’t want future conversations reviewed or used to improve machine-learning models, turn off Gemini Apps Activity Opens in a new window .

And you can be sure it will reset with every update.

That's not how it works

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by eitally »

lordswork wrote: post #468
tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

More simply, with Bard and Duet AI names retired, it looks like this: Gemini Models gemini.google.com ------------------------------------ Gemini Nano Gemini Pro -> Gemini (free) Gemini Ultra -> Gemini Advanced ($20/month) Where each size (Nano, Pro, and Ultra) will be versioned going forward (similar to GPT-2,3,3.5,4) starting at 1.0 today.

Yes, it's that simple, but not really that simple.

For example, Bard is embedded as a chatbot inside Google Messages (at least for some subset of beta users). Imho, this is a killer app sort of feature, but it hasn't been mentioned at all in the Gemini PR.

Also, there's now the new Google One AI Premium sub for $20/mo, which adds Gemini to the older Google One Premium sub ($10/mo). However, that legacy sub was somewhat explicitly positioned as a solution for family sharing, especially of shared data (2TB across metered Google properties). It's unclear whether the new AI Premium sub grants Gemini access to all family members.

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Post by golol »

zooq_ai wrote: post #327
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

Well for LLM services that do what they currently do google may have an advantage, but all this stuff is still only experimentation with the goal being hopefully much more advanced things, like almost-agi agents. If this happens then no one will care about the way we currently use LLMs anymore.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by ionwake »

lordswork wrote: post #221
pgeorgi wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From one of the earlier announcements Google has made: - Bard is that talkative text interface, a product. - Gemini is the LLM design that currently backs Bard (but also other Google AI products). - Gemini "Basic", Advanced and Ultra are different sizes of that design. This is conjecture, but "Ultra 1.0" probably indicates that they intend to release more models based on the Ultra configuration. Since that's the most…

With the Bard name retired, the mapping looks like this: Gemini Models gemini.google.com ------------------------------------ Gemini Nano Gemini Pro -> Gemini (free) Gemini Ultra -> Gemini Advanced ($20/month)

This was useful, thank you.

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Post by wewtyflakes »

Laaas wrote: post #572
Zetobal wrote: post #564

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And you can be sure it will reset with every update.

That wouldn't be legal I think.

You'd think so, but these companies skirt around it by then adding or breaking up permissions even further, like "oh, yes you DID disable data collection for X, but.... we added a new permission for data collection for Y, and by the way it is opt-out! Too bad!".

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by karmasimida »

ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

I feel the same. And it feels slightly faster?

Finally a worthy competitor to GPT-4

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Post by losteric »

Zetobal wrote: post #564
jimmyl02 wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you can disable the data being used from training by turning off gemini app activity. > You can turn Gemini Apps Activity off If you don’t want future conversations reviewed or used to improve machine-learning models, turn off Gemini Apps Activity Opens in a new window .

And you can be sure it will reset with every update.

Why do you say that? I’ve never had that happen with any other of my Google data opt-outs.
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