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Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators

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Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators

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Post by HKH2 »

blibble wrote: post #470
HKH2 wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Artists copy from each other all the time. Arguably, culture exists because of copying (folk stories by necessity); copyright makes culture top-down and stagnant, and you can't avoid it because they have the money to shove it right in your face. Who wants trickle-down culture?

it's not an artist, it's a piece of software in the same way bittorrent or gzip is

Sure. The person using it has intent. Now we have come to a point in which intent alone is art. Let there be light.

Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators

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Post by drdrek »

Only protection is adding giant gaping vaginas to your art, nothing less will deter scraping. If the Email spam community showed us something in the last 40 years is that no amount of defensive tech measures will work except financial disincentives.

Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators

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Post by withinboredom »

stale2002 wrote: post #474
withinboredom wrote: post #269

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> as it would be completely legal. Theft is never legal; that's why you can be sued. "Fair use" is a legal defense in the theft of copyrighted works. > They mean that nobody is going to sue you, because the other person would lose the lawsuit That hasn't stopped people from suing anyone ever. If they want to sue you, they'll sue you. > and therefore you did nothing wrong and are safe. If you steal a pen from a store,…

> If you steal a pen from a store Fortunately I am not talking about someone illegally taking property from someone else. Instead I am talking about people taking completely legal actions that are protected by law. > in the theft of copyrighted works Actually, it wouldn't be theft if it was done in fair use. Instead it would be completely legal. If nobody sues you and proves that it was illegal then you are completel…

Did you read anything I wrote? If you are going to argue, it would be worth at least researching your opinion before writing. Caps used for emphasis, not yelling.

Firstly: Copyrighted work IS THE AUTHOR'S PROPERTY. They can control it however they wish via LICENSING.

Secondly: You don't have any "fair use rights" ... there is literally NO SUCH THING. "fair use" is simply a valid legal defense WHEN YOU STEAL SOMEONE'S WORK WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.

Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators

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Post by withinboredom »

Thiez wrote: post #553
withinboredom wrote: post #271

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AI isn't a human. It isn't "learning"; instead, it's encoding data so that it may be reproduced in combination with other things it has encoded. If I paint a painting in the style of Monet, then I would give that person attribution by stating that. Monet may have never painted my artwork, but it's still based on that person's work. If I paint anything, I can usually point to everything that inspired me to do so. AI c…

Every waking second humans are training on what they see in their surroundings, including any copyrighted works in sight. Want to compare untrained AI fairly? Compare their artistic abilities with a newborn.

No. That is NOT what humans do unless you somehow learn grammar without going to school. Most of a human's childhood is spent learning from their parents so that they can move about and communicate at least a little effectively. Then, they go to school and learn rules, social, grammar, math, and so forth. There's some learning via copyrighted works (such as textbooks, entertainment, etc.), but literally, none of this is strictly required to teach a human.

Generative AI, however, can ONLY learn via the theft of copyrighted works. Whether this theft is covered under fair use is left to be seen.

Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators

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Post by withinboredom »

boolemancer wrote: post #404
withinboredom wrote: post #155

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It’s called a license and you can make it almost anything. It doesn’t even need to be spelled out, it can be verbal: “no, I won’t let you have it” It’s yours. That’s literally what copyright is there to enforce.

Copyright is there to allow you to stop other people from copying your work, but it doesn't give you control over anything else that they might do with it. If I buy your painting, you can stop me from making copies and selling them to other people, but you can't stop me from selling my original copy to whomever I want, nor could you stop me from painting little dinosaurs all over it and hanging it in my hallway. That…

There's an implied license when you buy a work of art. However, there can also be explicit licenses (think Banksy) to allow the distribution of their work.

These explicit license can be just about anything (MIT, GPL, AGPL, etc)

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

hutzlibu wrote: post #537
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #529

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This is the hard reality. There is no putting this genie back in the bottle. The only way to be an artist now is to have a unique style of your own, and to never make it online.

"and to never make it online." So then of course, you also cannot sell your work, as those might put it online. And you cannot show your art to big crowds, as some will make pictures and put it online. So ... you can become a literal underground artists, where only some may see your work. I think only some will like that. But I actually disagree, there are plenty of ways to be an artist now - but most should probably…

GP almost certainly mean "make physical art." Pictures of that can get online, but it's not the real thing.

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

__loam wrote: post #202
r3trohack3r wrote: post #166

The number of people who are going to be able to produce high fidelity art with off the shelf tools in the near future is unbelievable. It’s pretty exciting. Being able to find a mix of styles you like and apply them to new subjects to make your own unique, personalized, artwork sounds like a wickedly cool power to give to billions of people.

And we only had to alienate millions of people from their labor to do it.

Worth it.

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

23B1 wrote: post #253
Minor49er wrote: post #108

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Is the existence of the AI tool not itself a product of authentic creativity? Does eliminating barriers to image generation not facilitate authentic creativity?

No, it facilitates commoditization. Art – real art – is fundamentally a human-to-human transaction. Once everyone can fire perfectly-rendered perfectly-unique pieces of 'art' at each other, it'll just become like the internet is today: filled with extremely low-value noise. Enjoy the short term novelty while you can.

> Art – real art – is fundamentally a human-to-human transaction.

Why is this hippie nonsense so popular?

Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

popohauer wrote: post #30
Quanttek wrote: post #10

This is fantastic. If companies want to create AI models, they should license the content they use for the training data. As long as there are not sufficient legal protections and the EU/Congress do not act, tools like these can serve as a stopgap and maybe help increase pressure on policymakers

It's going to be interesting to see how the lawsuits against OpenAI by content creators plays out. If the courts rule that AI generated content is a derivative work of all the content it was trained on it could really flip the entire gen AI movement on its head.

…then I'll keep enjoying my Stable Diffusion and pirated models.
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