Live data from Hacker News

IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

wsj.com

571–580 of 592 posts

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#571
post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you have a point, the golden rule is to shut down everything related to email and IM during meetings.

But you can't control what other people do. You can control what messages you send.

You can control what messages you receive by closing your client

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#572

The need for competent IT will only increase, especially in the US. There are so many systems that need upgrades and improvements that it is scary. Some may say that AI will do this, but by the time AI is capable of doing this then all labor of any kind is deprecated as a concept and we'll have transitioned to a different type of economic system anyway. So don't be afraid, there's a lot of work coming. There are hund…

> There are so many systems that need upgrades and improvements that it is scary > There are hundreds of billions of lines of code that haven't been meaningfully upgraded or maintained and those systems are still profitable and useful and cool to work on Will putting additional effort and in turn paid man hours increase the profit margin?

Absolutely. Maintaining and modernizing code means making use of the newest capabilities so your systems are more efficient, thereby reducing their costs. Newer tech also has many more capabilities which means older products can become new again, which would lead to more sales. It also reduces the bus factor since you will be able to find many more experienced people to intervene in your system if it experiences significant issues.

I recently worked on a platform that still used Silverlight well after its deprecation. They needed to deprecate and then extricate that dependency. For a very long time, people would pursue features over this maintenance task since the maintenance wouldn't have increased revenue. However, eventually the very old dependency slowed down their ability to produce features that customers want and presented a security risk as well. These certainly will reduce profit margin...so a lot of the time, tech investment will be about not losing the profit margin that already exists, and biding time until new capabilities become available to add new features and decrease system costs.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#573
post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you have a point, the golden rule is to shut down everything related to email and IM during meetings.

But you can't control what other people do. You can control what messages you send.

But you can expect people to do their jobs. If a notification embarrassed the company in front of a customer then talk to that person's manager about training them to not be a numpty.

Stop having such low expectations of grown ass adults.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#574
post #96

Every F500 company is Almost There on automating absolutely everything through ServiceNow and that's without AI being in the mix yet. There's always going to be a place for coders who can massage the API links between packages or run an ERP, but you don't need IT when your firm is disposable line staff, institutional knowledge lives in the codebase, and HR has mostly been replaced by Workday. UBI when?

Serious question: Why is the answer to firms automating everything "give me money for doing nothing" and not "get a different job?" Don't get me wrong I would love shorter work weeks, fewer hours a day, etc. for the same pay. That was the promise of all this additional productivity, after all. But even that is still getting paid for work. I just can't rationalize the idea of paying an entire population for nothing.

The answer should be: "Give me money so I can do things I want to do." Most people want to feel useful and valued, so people will still volunteer and do useful work even if they don't have to do it to survive.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We even have an example of what a train wreck it is in Canada, with stagnant productivity, a housing bubble and overcrowded public services. But we're determined to make the exact same mistakes.

this is really annoying to read. go open the careers page for most mid-tier tech co’s (Coinbase, Rippling, Affirm) and count the number of SWE jobs in India/Latam/Eastern Europe vs the U.S. Say you get your wish of no immigration. How are you going to force these companies to not hire abroad instead? At least if the worker who competes with you is in the U.S., they have the same cost structure as you and won’t underc…

[dead]

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#576
As still a young dev, I haven't even finished my college, this seems nice to see even though I probably wont be able to find a job. I feel like it's nice to see a great filter since there are a lot of so called programmers that do web dev these days. I find it laughable to think that these are the programmers and all they know how to do is js and html/css. This will better the world and make people learn more, as they should. I am learning absolutely everything there is and right now I could write in any language (except ASM, not quite there yet) even if I have never worked in it. With a few google searches I will learn the basic syntax. With AI, people are losing jobs on a huge rate, which might be sad but this is new tech and every tech changes the world. People probably complained about losing their jobs when computers were made, or diggers when heavy machines were made. It's normal and sooner people understand that the better. I just hope governments are going to recognize these problems. If I can't go to the wild and survive on my own, then provide me with basics for human survival in modern society like it is done in Germany for example.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, because productivity is output divided by hours worked, so working longer can decrease productivity.

I think youre just using a different definition of productivity. Hourly is valid, but yearly is too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_factor_productivity is my definition, as it's the one that actually gets talked about in the press (as opposed to the nebulous "productivity" beloved of tech people (including me)).

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#578
post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a FANG.

Thanks. If it's Google (and I suspect it is), what are they calling this employee development program and where can people apply?

https://buildyourfuture.withgoogle.com/apprenticeships

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you're going to the wrong bars!

Last weekend I got free beers for knowing the band on a bartender's shirt. We shot the shit about music while I waited for my friends. Made my day. Pubs started as "public houses". What's the point if you don't know the regulars? Why go out? Imagine Cheers with robo Ted Dansen. (Actually, that might be awesome, for very different reasons...)

Being a regular (at any local business but especially bars) is an extremely fulfilling feeling. Also very good for ones social health to be active in their community.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you can't control what other people do. You can control what messages you send.

But you can expect people to do their jobs. If a notification embarrassed the company in front of a customer then talk to that person's manager about training them to not be a numpty. Stop having such low expectations of grown ass adults.

You clearly haven't worked at a job with incompetent adults before. I mostly haven't either thankfully, but my wife just put in her two weeks resignation after two months at her new job because she works proposal management and she couldn't get anyone to do anything properly (proposal management requires getting information from other people in order to put together a proposal with all the information requested), while they just kept piling enough work to keep at least 3 employees busy on her.

Forms filled out wrong after explicit instructions, vital information needed for a proposal due at 10 in the morning not received until 5pm the day before (and even then it's missing half of what they were told was needed), and then after asking for it again, finding out half an hour before it's due "oh I'm out running an errand, I'm not in the office, I can't get that to you", people taking pictures of handwritten notes in sloppy handwriting and sending them to other coworkers instead of typing them up themselves, people refusing to click a link on their iPads to access a document and demanding email attachments instead, people refusing to store important documents in CRM tools and instead saying "well it's in someone's email somewhere".

She's worked with several of these types before, but not this many people at one company, and not with such an intense workload (I think she was expected to submit a proposal every other day this month while wrangling these people, which is very short. At past jobs she usually only had to juggle 1 or 2 proposals in any given week).

She had no choice but to work holidays and nights and weekends and it still looked like she wasn't doing a good job because they weren't doing their jobs (her boss knew she was though, since she had to do the job before she was hired and knew what it was like, and begged her to stay).

I guarantee none of these people would have bothered turning off a notification, and then something confidential (legally not supposed to be seen by certain employees) could have been revealed.

Not that I ever usually bother to think about that myself, personally. It's rare that I start a conversation with someone with 'Hey blah! Here's some information that I can get in trouble if other people besides you see!'

Post reply on HN