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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

mongol wrote: post #541
krembo wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you really understand why it's an hateful speech when you wish my country stop to exists?

No not neccessarily. There are many examples of peoples who have wished their lands to become liberated from current rulers. I am for example thinking of Finland or the Baltics. It wasn't hateful of them to wish for that, and I never heard anyone even express that idea. There are ways to express hate, but this is not one of them.

The difference between Finland liberating from Russian rule vs Palestina liberating from Israel rule (geographically the whole of Israel "from the river to the sea") is that there weren't a huge amount of Russians living in Finland when Finland was liberated. But for Palestine there is. What is your solution to the "jewish problem", and is it a final solution? Please do elaborate how your genocide does not violate those content rules and guidelines.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

anigbrowl wrote: post #460
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you okay with Israel saying 'from the river Israel will prosper'? https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/ha... Where will Jews live if there is a Palestinian state from river to sea?

I'm fine with that. Looking at a map I see plenty of room for 2 states to exist; nobody is going to get everything they want.

Plenty of room where exactly? On one side of the map is the river, on the other side of the map is the sea, and you want free Palestina to get the land "from the river to the sea".

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Post by cultofmetatron »

tety wrote: post #556
arnavpraneet wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, wishing for the ceasing-of-existence of an apartheid state is considered justified by most of the world.

what makes it an apartheid state? palestinians have no voting rights in all the neighboring arab states, yet a large amount of them do in israel. and if they don’t in Israel they have voting rights for the palestinian authority

I don't know if this is intentionally obtuse but its TRIVIALLY easy to find examples and journalistic documentaries demonstrating the apartheid going back years

just of the top of my head, there are already seperate roads that palestinians are not allowed to go on.

palestinians have to go through multiple checkpoints just to travel within their own territory.

palestinians are tried in a separate military court with a 90% conviction rate.

here's some links

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCh043-gLIM

how Israel created a water crisis

https://novaramedia.com/2023/12/20/israeli-soldiers-are-snat...

Israeli soldiers are arresting and beating up palestinians simply for having photos of gaza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC6bMfikaiQ&ab_channel=CNN

here we see settler violence going on in the west bank where hamas does not opearte. its a direct contradiction to the israeli claim that there would be peac in the middle east of the arabs put their guns down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkN6PH5cG7c&ab_channel=AlJaz...

an israeli company has already put together a promo for luxury homes for israeli's to be built on the ruins of gaza. where will these people who lived there go? oh right, they are being systematically exterminated right now.

like, this took just 5 min of googling. The evidence is out there in PLAIN sight so the only way I can understand someone not knowing at this point is if they are intentionally looking the other way. its not too disimilar to germans living near the concentration camps. people looked the other way because it wasn't convenient to know what was really happening.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

krembo wrote: post #536
sarafiq wrote: post #479

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So the phrase "from the river to the sea" is hateful to many but when it comes to disrespect Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) or Quran then it becomes freedom of speech no matter a vast majority of world population hates it. Hypocrisy to say the least!

Let's make it simpler- disrespect for Muhamad is a disrespect to a religion based on crusades and a prophet who is a declared pedophile according to their scripts (married and had sex with Aisha when she was 6yo). Calling "from the river to the sea" is a call for genocide of the Jewish people. So, can you pick a side already of which of the calls is legit and which not?

Wow, you are openly advocating for speech to be allowed in cases where it is politically good and disallowed in cases where it is politically bad? And who's going to determine which speech is good and what's bad? It's not gonna be you, it's some bureaucrat who has a completely different idea of good and bad than you do. Why do you want that?

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Post by pydry »

wernercd wrote: post #403
pydry wrote: post #314

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Will be free != will be genocided. As I said, it's a creative misinterpretation. If you want to see what a call for genocide looks like, listen to the prime minister of israel: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu-openly-calls-... This just scratches the surface of the extreme levels of racism permeating every level of Israeli society and the foreign racists who support it.

I love that you call "from the river to the sea" a creative misinterpretation... then push something that's way more of a creative interpretation of "genocide". Why is "Amalek" a call to genocide (remove the others from our land) but "from the rivers to the sea" (remove the others form our land) isn't? Trying to take you at face value, I looked into what Amalek is and tried to find something more unbiased than you se…

>I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

From the book of samuel.

Not coincidentally, putting death to women, children and infants is what they are currently doing - in vast numbers. Theyre fairly open about this, too.

It's pretty clear what Netanyahu means and it's pretty clear that Israel supporters in the United States (mostly older and always on the more racist side) endorse this.

Whereas "will be free" is a call for exactly what it is. Freedom.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by Der_Einzige »

hipadev23 wrote: post #340
rightbyte wrote: post #273

It boils down to the algorithmic feed, where Zuckerberg decides what the users see and not the users. Old Facebook didn't have that problem, where there more or less was a chronological order of friends' post. That systems also did not have any problem with "troll farms" (do those even exist, anyway?) since those could not reach you in the first place. On places like Reddit, I get this feeling that some bot network c…

> The atmosphere is way to aligned to be real. I think it’s identical here on HN. Upvoting, downvoting, and using flagging to suppress contrary opinions is rampant and has a huge negative impact toward discussion. I think it’s just the topic du jour on HN is less escalated (usually opinions of tech choices) so it doesn’t seem as extreme.

I’ve had my spicy posts get downvoted within 10 seconds of me making the post. Impossible for that to always be organic. Glad others observe this here. Dang will of course deny this happens, but it is happening for sure.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by tety »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #573
tety wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what makes it an apartheid state? palestinians have no voting rights in all the neighboring arab states, yet a large amount of them do in israel. and if they don’t in Israel they have voting rights for the palestinian authority

I don't know if this is intentionally obtuse but its TRIVIALLY easy to find examples and journalistic documentaries demonstrating the apartheid going back years just of the top of my head, there are already seperate roads that palestinians are not allowed to go on. palestinians have to go through multiple checkpoints just to travel within their own territory. palestinians are tried in a separate military court with a…

This is a lot of anecdotal evidence.

And you are touching a lot of different subjects which I don't have time to refute one by one.

Examples:

1. Convinction rate in Israel is over 90% for the entire population, not just palestinians. This is because different reasons such as preference not to press charges if there is not a very high chance of conviction, plea bargains, etc.

2. Multiple checkpoints - The security situation in the west bank is a reflection of the fact this is an occupied territory which should have been solved in subsequent peace negotiations. This never happened, and the reasons for that rest on both sides, but you have to be honest with yourself if you think the Palestinians did not reject multiple fair peace offers.

"Systematically exterminated" - This is an extreme hyperbole.. there are enough historical examples of how systematic exterminations looks like to make this a not serious claim. Just compare the amount of casualties of different middle eastern conflicts to the Israeli-Palestinian one

Please try to touch something more concrete than multiple anecdotes which most do not really represent anything similar to an apartheid government.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by bsaul »

mgraczyk wrote: post #336

Interestingly if you read the actual report from HRW, it sounds like most of the material they are referring too was legitimately taken down because it supported violence, according to Meta's policies. For example, the phrase "from the river to the see" is considered hateful by many, so it was taken down. In other cases the content praised attacks by Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist organization by the US go…

yes the problem is most likely that a lot of people have become hamas's defenders recently for some uncomprehensible reasons. Like finding them justifications, or supporting them on the ongoing war. It's pretty insane if you think about.

I remember some people in the arab world took side for ben laden on 9/11 but this time it's happening in the west too.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

nradov wrote: post #370
ThinkBeat wrote: post #317

This is something people have to relearn over and over again. A lot of the people who are not upset with Meta limiting opinions and content related to the war in Gaza¹. Were gloating and happy when Meta limited opinions and content from right wing politicians² not so long ago. Once you invite censorship for content you dont like, how can you expect it wont bite you in the ass later on. This is why freedom of speech i…

I agree with Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas that Congress should consider extending common carrier rules to large social media platforms and force them to carry all legal content. This would in a sense be a form of "compelled speech" in that those companies would have to expend resources to distribute communicates that their management finds objectionable, but at scale the marginal costs would be virtually zer…

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by defrost »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #576
hipadev23 wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The atmosphere is way to aligned to be real. I think it’s identical here on HN. Upvoting, downvoting, and using flagging to suppress contrary opinions is rampant and has a huge negative impact toward discussion. I think it’s just the topic du jour on HN is less escalated (usually opinions of tech choices) so it doesn’t seem as extreme.

I’ve had my spicy posts get downvoted within 10 seconds of me making the post. Impossible for that to always be organic. Glad others observe this here. Dang will of course deny this happens, but it is happening for sure.

Most spicy comments get rapid downvotes, and it's organic.

I know mine do.

Long time HN readers frequently load https://news.ycombinator.com/newcomments to see where the interesting conversations are happening right now .. and they pretty much all reflexively downvote comments that appear to be rude or attacking other users directly rather than discussing their positions.

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