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Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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Post by yurishimo »

bob1029 wrote: post #465

I think Ram makes a pretty good truck these days. The ride is unbelievable. City driving kinda sucks due to the obnoxious size, but if you need to drive 2+ hours across Texas it's unmatched in comfort.

Was this ever contested? Yes, making a comfortable boat is not rocket science.

The list is about reliability. Having soft shocks doesn’t play much into that unless you’re forgetting that the motor mounts need to be replaced way sooner than you would expect because the suspension is absorbing a lot of the rough ride in the cab.

Dodge has taken their trucks into competition with Cadillac and GMC instead of Ford and Toyota in years past.

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Post by diogenescynic »

whatever1 wrote: post #171

No way BMW is that high. I literally saw the past 2-3 weeks two X7s and an X5 stranded on the highway, on my way to work. I remember because I was joking yesterday with my partner that we should never buy a Beamer.

Agree, but I wonder if it has something to do with BMW's maintenance program for the first few years that covers most issues? So maybe certain issues aren't really being reported in the stats.

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Post by diogenescynic »

emodendroket wrote: post #344

I’ll bet a lot of people are surprised to learn BMW is one of the most reliable manufacturers in the business.

Only for the first 3 years... and I wonder if these stats are being padded by BMW's warranty/maintenance program for the first few years. How many 30 year old BMWs with 300,000 miles do you see? Not as many as you do Toyota or Honda.

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Post by jeremyjh »

esperent wrote: post #533
jancsika wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who usually buys ~10 year old cars and drives them into the ground I'm much more interested in long term reliability. That's a much simpler list: 1: Toyota Corolla 2 to end: you're not really serious about running it into the ground. :)

My mother is still driving a 1999 Corolla hatchback. She bought it around 2005, has driven it every day since. When her friend passed away, she inherited his 1998 version of the same and has been using it for spares. Now she's considering selling both, they are classics now so they are actually increasing in value. I'm a bit sad, as I live on the other side of the world and I feel like in my trips home that car is on…

So buy it from her.

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Post by NikkiA »

hintymad wrote: post #181

Toyota is amazing for making reliable cars but writing truly shitty code. IIRC, a lawsuit a few years ago about Toyota's faulty brake system revealed that Toyota engineers cramped tens of thousands of lines in a single file and the lines freely update hundreds of global variables. It's also interesting that Japanese companies follow ISO this and CMM that yet they develop slowly and produce shitty software services ev…

90% of embedded code is horrible global variable messes like that, it's truly horrifying if you value CS and SE sensibilities and get into embedded. Invariably you'll also be expected to interface to and utilitise someone else's code of that style, so you can't even try to make much of a positive impact from within.

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mkii wrote: post #225
hintymad wrote: post #181

Toyota is amazing for making reliable cars but writing truly shitty code. IIRC, a lawsuit a few years ago about Toyota's faulty brake system revealed that Toyota engineers cramped tens of thousands of lines in a single file and the lines freely update hundreds of global variables. It's also interesting that Japanese companies follow ISO this and CMM that yet they develop slowly and produce shitty software services ev…

Is it truly mysterious though? I find it interesting whenever HN has a strong fascination with all things related to "Japanese-ness". For example, there have been links to wikipedia pages of some Japanese term, and it will make front page with comments. I can't think of any other nation that has this kind of cultural representation on here. And yet, the myth of Japanese "uniqueness" is largely the product of Japanese…

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Post by MalcolmDwyer »

uoaei wrote: post #521
vondur wrote: post #453

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People drive horrible now. Running lights, crazy lane changes, excessive speeding etc. Here in the US is started during the pandemic and hasn’t improved.

I've been driving a drinking-age Jeep Cherokee and the acceleration and top speed make me remember how it felt to drive 20 years ago. The street and road design makes a lot more sense at those speeds. We've gotten used to faster and peppier cars over the years but meanwhile the roads haven't changed to accommodate that.

Well please let's not just rebuild all our roads to accommodate the fastest and stupidest drivers. (See above about pedestrian and cyclist safety).

I guess that's just always happening anyway. Except in a few cities doing proper bike lanes, roads are always getting widened, intersections expanded.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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Post by dghlsakjg »

digdugdirk wrote: post #555
orwin wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a US thing, pedestrian safety continued to improve in France (mainly caused by infrastructure improvements), but we are starting to have the same sized cars, with the same issues)

I've always understood the US's giant car problem was an unintended consequence of the CAFE fuel efficiency legislation, why is Europe getting caught up in the giant car fad? I'd imagine that'd be much more obvious of a terrible idea when the streets are half the size.

Europe also has pedestrian crash safety standards as well. US crash safety standards deal exclusively with the occupants of the vehicle, and not at all with the lives of whatever was smashed into.

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Post by diogenescynic »

brookside wrote: post #99

I have never understood how the Consumer Reports model of self(reader)-reported reliability can produce can statistically valid results. There are many biases build in to self-reporting surveys. Longtime Consumer Reports readers who buy a Toyota because they believe it is the most reliable make want their choice to have been correct. Their answers about problems with their car will reflect that.

I wish there was something more objective used like to quantify how many vehicles are still on the road after X number years. I guarantee Toyota/Lexus/Honda/Acura would be at the top if you compared how many vehicles would still be daily drivers after 25+ years and 250,000+ miles.
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