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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by dixie_land »

l1k wrote: post #430
Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

The point here is likely to pull the rug out from under scalpers' feet. With the Raspberry Pi 5 out in two weeks, all the held-back inventory of older models will be dumped, prices will plummet, availability will become a non-issue. In that sense it's a wise move.

On a similar note, I'm genuinely curious as to why Pi chose the "authorized reseller" model instead of selling them directly.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by wpm »

teamonkey wrote: post #532
impalallama wrote: post #516

Surprised by the amount of negativity here. So many comments that are saying the raspberry pi isn't competitive in their market anymore and then post more locked down less open systems at 2x the price.

Same as the people on Reddit claiming that Raspberry Pi has killed itself as a business because it's constantly in such high demand that it's always sold out.

New York City? Eh, nobody goes there, too much traffic.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by dewbrite »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #560
agloe_dreams wrote: post #539

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I mean, keep in mind that the Pi5 is a $60 device with ~$60+ of support hardware (Power supply, cable, miniHDMI to HDMI, Cooling, Case, Storage) You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Also, you are reducing eWaste.

> You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable What suggestions do you have for this? I’m sure some people can find these, but every time I see comments like these (or ones that actually give specifics), it’s always used ones on eBay that aren’t actually better and are in unknown condition. I’m not doubting that some people come out ahead, but for…

When RPi 4 was going for $200, I got some Orange Pi 5s for about $140 each. My configuration included 8GB RAM, the power supply, and a 250GB NVMe drive.

It seems like it's about on par with the RPi 5 in terms of power. The OS support is lacking, but the M.2 and +4 "Little" cores make it pretty compelling regardless.

Edit: just saw the pi 5 has PCIe :0

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by mlyle »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #478
meragrin_ wrote: post #467

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> they can't make it available to normal people I guess you haven't been looking recently? I can go to a local store and pick one up. It looks easy to pick up one online too. https://rpilocator.com/

I think I've seen Pi Kits at my local target. The issue with those is, they're for niche things I might not care about and now I got tech waste on my hands, but also might not be the exact model I want. Note I'm not disagreeing, just saying in some cases, the ones in-store are kits.

I wouldn't expect Target to carry bare Raspberry Pi-- how many people walk into a Target wanting a Pi with no accessories?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by agloe_dreams »

jancsika wrote: post #555
agloe_dreams wrote: post #539

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I mean, keep in mind that the Pi5 is a $60 device with ~$60+ of support hardware (Power supply, cable, miniHDMI to HDMI, Cooling, Case, Storage) You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Also, you are reducing eWaste.

> You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Name three, please, with emphasis on the "considerably more powerful" part.

Sure...but it might take me a while...how about this, I'll name...as of current, 385 under $100 all with free shipping: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sa...

The Pi5 is slower than a Core i3 6100, does not support upgradable ram, does not support Pci Gen 3 let alone Gen 3 x16, no actual Sata 6, no upgradable sockets, etc. There are a TON of uses cases for a Pi 5...but only really if power consumption and size is critical for the application. Almost anyone doing a Pihole, Home assistant, or the like is better served by a used miniPc.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by ThatPlayer »

JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #404

Were there any issues with the first wave of Pi 4 that would make it a smart move to hold off on ordering one for a few months?

I remember them leaving out some resistors for the USB C port that were needed for some chargers or cables. Wasn't too big a deal if you just used their official power supplies.

https://www.scorpia.co.uk/2019/06/28/pi4-not-working-with-so...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by Kirby64 »

mlyle wrote: post #108
liminalsunset wrote: post #67

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This device has a PCIe 2.0 x1 connector now, so NVMe drives should be usable now. The Compute Module 4 series have been able to support eMMC chips, so I don't see why they wouldn't continue with the 5 if/when it shows up

> This device has a PCIe 2.0 x1 connector now, so NVMe drives should be usable now. It's a fiddly FPC connector though, which isn't a great contributor to mechanical robustness.

FPC is used in billions of devices with perfectly fine robustness. As long as it isn't part of some flexible mechanism (e.g., a flex display, or something folding), it should be just fine. If you toss it into a box with the FPC flopping in the breeze then I'm sure it would be terrible, but... don't do that?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by intrasight »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #525
intrasight wrote: post #518

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I see Minisforum mentioned frequently. A couple of examples https://store.minisforum.com/collections/amd-%C2%AE-ryzen-%C... https://store.minisforum.com/collections/amd-%C2%AE-ryzen-%C... I do think these make more sense for most people. But I'll for sure be getting a Pi 5. I sold all my Pi 3 and 4 during the pandemic since I wasn't using them.

These are $250 and $300+

Yes. That's what is the cost for a complete mini PC. Barebones are cheaper. $189.00

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by agloe_dreams »

fanf2 wrote: post #549
agloe_dreams wrote: post #539

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I mean, keep in mind that the Pi5 is a $60 device with ~$60+ of support hardware (Power supply, cable, miniHDMI to HDMI, Cooling, Case, Storage) You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Also, you are reducing eWaste.

The starter kits which include all that stuff have been about 150% of the price of the bare board for older models.

So at $90, that is 270 results on ebay, many have more ram, I'm filtering on free shipping only. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sa...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by agloe_dreams »

ycuser2 wrote: post #540
agloe_dreams wrote: post #535

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Honestly? You can get a business mini PC with better performance and software support for less than a Pi4/5

Yes, but consider the energy consumption.

In context, it isn't awful. You can get a J4125 machine in that price range often times and that is not far at all from a Pi5.
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