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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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bungeonsBaggins wrote: post #498
EMM_386 wrote: post #396

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I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

For context, it looks like this user has deleted a comment where they claim they "have a screenshot" of this, but they "don't want to share it" because they "don't want it to make international news". For some reason the other people in this thread expressing skepticism are being downvoted, but I'll add my voice to the chorus: I do not believe this story to be true.

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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by xkcd1963 »

dmd wrote: post #49
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

I also don't believe LLMs are "conscious", but I also don't know what that means, and I have yet to see a definition of "statistically guessing next word" that cannot be applied to what a human brain does to generate the next word.

It doesn't make sense to apply human terms to LLMs because we humans have so much more to deal with.

If humans were machines, then we could easily neglect our social lifes, basic needs, obligations, rights, and so many more things. But obviously that is not the case.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by fzzzy »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #516
RivieraKid wrote: post #466

I went from being worried to thinking it won't replace me anytime soon after using GPT4 for a while and now I'm back to being worried. Because the pace of development is intense. I would love to be financially independent and watch this with excitement and perhaps take on risky and fun projects. Now I'm thinking - how do I double or triple my income so that I reach financial independence in 3 years instead of 10 year…

I don’t think any of this materially changes job outlook for software development over the next decade. I use ChatGPT daily for school, and used Copilot daily for software development; it gets a lot wrong a lot of the time, and can’t retain necessary context that is critical for being useful long term. I can’t even get it to consume an entire chapter at once to generate notes or flashcards yet. It may slightly change…

You could easily write a 20 line script to generate notes and flashcards. I know because I have.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

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Post by bagful »

jshmrsn wrote: post #445
vdfs wrote: post #204

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I think one mean difference in LLM, is what Micheal Scott said in The Office: "Sometimes I'll start a sentence, and I don't even know where it's going. I just hope I find it along the way. Like an improv conversation. An improversation" Human will know what they want to express, choosing words to express it might be similar to LLM process of choosing words, but for LLM it doesn't have that "Here is what i know to exp…

I can only speak from my own internal experience, but don’t your unspoken thoughts take form and exist as language in your mind? If you imagine taking the increasingly common pattern to “think through the problem before giving your answer”, but hiding the pre-answer text from the user, then it seems like that would pretty analogous to how humans think before communicating.

My unspoken thought-objects are wordless concepts, sounds, and images, with words only loosely hanging off those thought-objects. It takes additional effort to serialize thought-objects to sequences of words, and this is a lossy process - which would not be the case if I were thinking essentially in language.

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Post by lukev »

jader201 wrote: post #565
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #516

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I don’t think any of this materially changes job outlook for software development over the next decade. I use ChatGPT daily for school, and used Copilot daily for software development; it gets a lot wrong a lot of the time, and can’t retain necessary context that is critical for being useful long term. I can’t even get it to consume an entire chapter at once to generate notes or flashcards yet. It may slightly change…

This feels fairly naive, ignoring how much progress has happened over the (short) span of one year. This doesn't sound like that tough of a gap to close in another year (again, projecting based off recent progress).

The bitter truth though is that the last 20% always takes 99% of the time and effort. LLMs are a huge breakthrough and we are absolutely speedrunning the 80%, but I see no reason to believe the usual pattern won’t hold when the easy wins are exploited.

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Post by satellite2 »

tombert wrote: post #560
RivieraKid wrote: post #466

I went from being worried to thinking it won't replace me anytime soon after using GPT4 for a while and now I'm back to being worried. Because the pace of development is intense. I would love to be financially independent and watch this with excitement and perhaps take on risky and fun projects. Now I'm thinking - how do I double or triple my income so that I reach financial independence in 3 years instead of 10 year…

I'm not convinced that this pace will continue. We're seeing a lot of really cool, rapid evolution of this tech in a short amount of time, but I do think we'll hit a soft ceiling in the not too distant future as well. If you look at something like smartphones, for example. Smartphones, from my perspective, got drastically better and better from about ~2006-2015 or so. They were rapidly improving cameras and battery l…

There is clearly a plateau in how good a ux can be. It might be a local optimum but still you solve the task the user wants. I don't see a clear ceiling in intelligence. And if the ceiling is how much of the human tasks can be replaced then I think when we reach it the world is going to look very different from now. (Let's also not discount how much the world changed since the introduction of the smartphone.)

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Post by whimsicalism »

cjbprime wrote: post #411
NikolaNovak wrote: post #31

I'm in IT but nowhere near AI/ML/NN. The speed of user-visible progress last 12 months is astonishing. From my firm conviction 18 months ago that this type of stuff is 20+ years away; to these days wondering if Vernon Vinge's technological singularity is not only possible but coming shortly. If feels some aspects of it have already hit the IT world - it's always been an exhausting race to keep up with modern technolo…

> just statistically guessing next word I think it's more charitable to say "predicting", and I do not personally believe that "predict the next word" places any ceiling on intelligence. (So, I expect that improving the ability to predict the next word takes you to superhuman intelligence if your predictions keep improving.)

I feel like this is so obvious that I am continually dumbfounded that it continues to be the minoritarian position.

That said, I work in the field so maybe have had more time to think about it.

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Post by gdubs »

laurels-marts wrote: post #559

I'm very curious about this feature: > analyze a complex graph for work-related data Does this mean that I can take a screenshot of e.g. Apple stock chart and it will be able to reason about it and provide insights and analysis? GPT-4 currently can display images but cannot reason or understand them at all. I think it's one thing to have some image recognition and be able to detect that the picture "contains a time-s…

Check out their linked paper that goes into details around its current limitations and capabilities. In theory, it will be able to look at a financial chart and perform fairly sophisticated analysis on it. But they're careful to highlight that there are hallucinations still, and also cases where it misreads things like labels on medical images, or diagrams of chemical compounds, etc.

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Post by iandanforth »

jameshart wrote: post #518
vharuck wrote: post #509

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>I have yet to see a definition of "statistically guessing next word" that cannot be applied to what a human brain does to generate the next word. Here's one. Given a conversation history made of n sequential tokens S1, S2, ..., Sn , an LLM will generate the next token using an insanely complicated model we'll just call F : S(n+1) = F(S1, S2, ..., Sn) As for me, I'll often think of my next point, figure out how to sa…

That isn’t incompatible with what LLMs do though. The penultimate layer of the LLM could be thought of as the one that figures out ‘given S1..Sn, what concept am I trying to express now?’. The final layer is the function from that to ‘what token should I output next’. The fact that the LLM has to figure that all out again from scratch as part of generating every token, rather than maintaining a persistent ‘plan’, doe…

Correct, but it's functionally very different from how LLMs are implemented and deployed today. What you're highlighting is being experimented with and ties into ideas like scratch pads, world models, RAG, and progressive fine-tuning (if you're googling).

It's a bit like saying your computer has everything it needs to manipulate photos but doesn't yet have Photoshop installed.

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Post by kranke155 »

ZiiS wrote: post #337
kranke155 wrote: post #322

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The last technological advance that humans will make? What gives you that impression

_if_ it is better at making advances then us then everything in human nature points to us letting it make all future advances.

Im not sure. I suspect it might be better at some advances but not necessarily better at everything.
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