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The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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Part of the problem is government regulation. In some places, it's almost impossible to build new houses due to regulations. Some portion of the population wants to see house prices continue to increase and they will vote for politicians who will implement policies which will support that agenda. Of course this happens at the expense of another, also large portion of the population who do not own a house and have to…

Local governments also want to see the price increase because it increases their tax revenue disproportionally. You've got local governments in high col areas way overfunded. This creates an incentive for local governments to block housing with "open space" laws that environmentalists love. The area where I live outside LA was built in the 50s and 60s and then in the 80s they passed a bunch of laws to make it illegal to build more. The selfishness of that generation will never cease to amaze me. It's not boomers. It's their parents. Think Reagen.

Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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> Part of the problem is government regulation. And not just too much regulation, but the wrong kind of regulation, and a lack of regulation in areas that need it. Someone in the article was forced out of her home because her landlord suddenly raised her rent by $500. That shouldn't be legal. Corporations buying up homes in order to drive up prices shouldn't be allowed. Lots of things are allowed that shouldn't be. A…

> Someone in the article was forced out of her home because her landlord suddenly raised her rent by $500. That shouldn't be legal. Rent gets raised by $500 because someone else would actually pay that much. Rent control is the ultimate "I got mine" - it rewards people who got in early while making it impossible for anyone else to have housing. The reason rent could go up that much is because supply is so artificiall…

> Rent gets raised by $500 because someone else would actually pay that much.

doesn't make it right! the free market is inherently unequal.

Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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Their parents and an entire propaganda machine coming from the school system, local, and federal governments. Children were told "you can be anything you want to be" and also "in order to get a good job you have to go to college" which, in effect, forced children who otherwise didn't need to go to college, to go to college. In the same way a child cannot consent to sex, a child cannot fight social pressure coming fro…

I was told such things too. I also can process numbers. I knew that taking on an extra cost I could not pay would not be worth it without a guarantee of a high paying job, which is not something offered by going to school. The younger generations certainly seem capable of that reasoning. They aren't taking on nearly as many student loans.

> I knew that taking on an extra cost I could not pay would not be worth it without a guarantee of a high paying job, which is not something offered by going to school.

Except this was exactly what was offered. Schools used to brag about placement rates. This message came from your parents, the staff at your school, etc.

Setting up, I repeat, a literal trap for children to fall into, and then getting on this stupid high horse about how you didn't fall for it. I cannot begin to express how depraved that concept is, and I know you can't begin to comprehend it. Maybe one day you will.

> The younger generations certainly seem capable of that reasoning. They aren't taking on nearly as many student loans.

That is because they have the mistakes of 2 previous generations as an example and the rhetoric has died down dramatically.

Grow up.

Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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Shenzhen and Guangzhou are some of the least affordable cities in the world when it comes to housing prices. Yes, rents are actually not that bad and many units are vacant being just used as investments, but the cost to buy is astronomical given the Chinese housing bubble. Tokyo is an example where houses are torn down every 39 years so a new one can be built. Also, given the lack of population growth in Japan as a w…

Houses often are torn down, but not apartments.

Apartments are torn down every 40-50 years instead of 30.

Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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You only perceive corporate landlords as the greater problem because we're not living in the counterfactual reality where there are millions of new apartments that are inexpensive, tiny, safe, quiet, modern, clean, dignified, and well-located. In pretty much every major city in North America, it is illegal or there is too much red tape to build the affordable housing people actually want. Why is it that living in a t…

What government policy would allow for a 2k apartment building and not a $500 apartment building? I just don't buy this argument. The reason there's not a $500 apartments being built is because by expanding the residence out just a tiny bit you can charge $2000 for the same space that 2 $500 apartments would occupy. I'm seeing this play out where I live that has practically no zoning laws or regulations (LOTS of buil…

Because I didn't see it in any of the other comments: '

The realistic path is that apartments become $500 apartments late in life cycle. It's extremely rare to build low-end housing, but not so unreasonable for units to filter down-market over time when new construction provides adequate supply at the upper end of the market. The logic of updating vs. repairing changes when new housing is a regular occurrence.

Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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What government policy would allow for a 2k apartment building and not a $500 apartment building? I just don't buy this argument. The reason there's not a $500 apartments being built is because by expanding the residence out just a tiny bit you can charge $2000 for the same space that 2 $500 apartments would occupy. I'm seeing this play out where I live that has practically no zoning laws or regulations (LOTS of buil…

I have an external garage building that I'd love to turn into a small ADU, but it's not allowed in my area. Additionally, if you look at historical cheap rentals of the past, you see things like tenement buildings, which were arguably horrible, but provided a cheap alternate to homelessness. You can also see examples of what low rent places look like today in Asian countries, such as Hong Kong tiny apartments. Many o…

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Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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Among my friends seeking to buy houses, the greater problem is the ability of large companies to buy up whatever is on the market, which they then immediately turn into a rental. It’s nearly impossible to compete with a company who will pay $50k over asking price, in cash, for the house you’re trying to get. Comparatively, immigrants don’t have the purchasing power to compete, so saying they’re the problem is a weird…

You only perceive corporate landlords as the greater problem because we're not living in the counterfactual reality where there are millions of new apartments that are inexpensive, tiny, safe, quiet, modern, clean, dignified, and well-located. In pretty much every major city in North America, it is illegal or there is too much red tape to build the affordable housing people actually want. Why is it that living in a t…

I dont think the Government can do much (that it will do well), but I think it needs to:

1) Curtail companies and LLCs from acquiring Single Family Residences (SFR). 2) Dramatically step up incentives for builders to increase quality control and build quality while increasing punishment severely for fraudsters.

In my opinion flipping, rentals, and "fixer uppers" have gotten out of control. I see the only way of curtailing this as penalizing those types of lenders in interest rates or taxes to push them out of the market. For those unaware, flippers seek out private money lenders aka hard money lenders and pursue crazy high interest rates that balloon after 3, 6, 9, or 12 months. The idea is by taking on loans while they flip properties they can take on risk/liability, but spread their assets out and purchase/flip more properties. It happens for almost all property types, but typically is done for SFR/MFR because commercial has a lot more risk since property prices are much higher. The quality of repairs and renovations these flippers typically perform is well known to be absolute god awful. Flippers make short term investment choices on home improvements needing long term solutions.

To my second point, I've heard of so much fraud from home builders it baffles me they aren't in prison. Full neighborhood developments where builder's sold 30 year roofing, but built roofs with materials known to fail in 10-15, and the building company dissolves into the wind leaving homeowners with little to no recourse other than some couple hundred dollar settlement check whenever some class action suit eventually settles. There are plenty more examples of things like this, but my point is I think the only win to have is promote tax incentives for builders to build using quality processes and pass inspections, but I will admit I'm chasing a solution and am ill equipped to be presenting a solution. I am more focused on calling out the problem.

Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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You only perceive corporate landlords as the greater problem because we're not living in the counterfactual reality where there are millions of new apartments that are inexpensive, tiny, safe, quiet, modern, clean, dignified, and well-located. In pretty much every major city in North America, it is illegal or there is too much red tape to build the affordable housing people actually want. Why is it that living in a t…

What government policy would allow for a 2k apartment building and not a $500 apartment building? I just don't buy this argument. The reason there's not a $500 apartments being built is because by expanding the residence out just a tiny bit you can charge $2000 for the same space that 2 $500 apartments would occupy. I'm seeing this play out where I live that has practically no zoning laws or regulations (LOTS of buil…

We know it’s from zoning laws because a few places don’t have this problem

> “We have kept our rent increases to about 1% whereas the rest of the country was looking at 31%,” Mayor Jacob Frey said on Monday, citing data from The Pew Charitable Trusts.

> “That’s a drastic difference. And in part, it’s due to the policies that we’ve passed.”

> It’s mostly simple supply and demand, according to Mayor Frey. An explosion of housing, made possible by eliminating single-family zoning requirements, has kept prices down.

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/rising-rent-costs-slow-d...

Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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The second amendment is not a credible deterrent to government violence. Those gun nuts can bring every weapon they like, all 400 million of them, to a battlefield and they will be wiped out in a couple weeks by the US military. They are not Afghanis who have spent generations surviving in war, they are fat fucks on blood pressure medication with gun fetishes.

So true. I grew up in Trump country. Most of these people have one foot in the grave--proudly declaring their love of pork shoulder and beer.

A caravan of excessively loud Harleys recently commanded my attention. Driven by aging pork lords ferrying humongous wives on the back, I could only take solace in that they would all be dead in a few years. However, our schools are still producing these people. You should check out the YouTube videos where these people show up at town council. All hope fades.

Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression

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Didn't Boise, ID have an influx of better-off people from the coasts during the Pandemic? If plenty of luxury housing is being built it was likely in response to that. Ultimately those houses will get rented or otherwise occupied, which should free up housing at the lower end. Compare this to places in the Bay Area, where it's not practical to spread out any farther (no good public transport because of a dozen or mor…

> Didn't Boise, ID have an influx of better-off people from the coasts during the Pandemic? Yup > What's better? Some housing being built or none at all? Loads of housing is getting built but what we've not seen is subsequent drops in housing prices (the opposite in fact). This speaks to problems beyond a housing shortage. Who knows, maybe in 10 years that will reverse and the market will correct back to pre-pandemic…

USA is extremely behind on housing raw numbers by about 20 million homes based on population growth. We stopped building in 2008. Almost no homes were built that year. It took 10 years to ramp back up.

Just in the past 2-3 years started to build as many homes as we need but the rate will take 15-20 years to catch up assuming it stays at the current rate.

Basically if you're 40 now you will be 60 by the time it's okay again and that's if we even keep the current build rate for that long.

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