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For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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K. What I want is for kids to get the best education possible and to have as many opportunities as possible to further human knowledge. You don't become a biologist if you think evolution is a hoax. Dinosaurs are simply cool as shit and I feel bad that kids are kept from them because of "Satan". And you'll have a hard time with geology or astrophysics if you are saddled with a belief in the young earth. I certainly d…

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Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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This is giving me the worst of vibes: - options for people who don't want to expose their children to out-of-family ideas, to perpetuate family biases - a completely unregulated market for children to go to a "school" with a few other kids, giving them small classrooms, BUT, no teacher with specialization or educational background. Would be extremely hit or miss, with little resource if it isn't working out. - only f…

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Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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That’s completely wrong. The state with the absolute lowest average teacher salary is Mississippi. Average salary is $48k. Assuming 12 hour days for 190 days a year, that’s about 3x minimum wage. There are many districts with much higher averages. Just one example. In a relatively low cost of living state, Fulton county GA—the county Atlanta is in—the starting salary is $56k, and $62k with a masters. It goes up every…

Why would you assume 190 days? However you are correct - minimum wage is WAY less than I assumed in the south (despite living there!) Also: $62k/yr for a job requiring a masters degree is utterly criminal.

Because that’s the number of days teachers are required to work in Georgia and many other states. School is 180 days and then they have 2 weeks worth of teacher work days etc..

This has nothing to do with the south. Take the highest minimum wage in the country, Washington D.C., at $17 an hour.

The state with the lowest paid teachers pay more than that even assuming 12 hour days.

A masters degree isn’t required, you just start out making a few thousand a year more if you have one. Each year the gap grows though so that it becomes more and more worth it.

Also $62k a year is the starting salary for a teacher with no experience, but it’s only slightly lower than the median salary for anyone with a masters degree.

Also in many states teachers get defined benefit pensions and other benefits which are far better than what nearly anyone in the private sector gets. In Georgia, teachers can retire with their full pension after only 30 years. I know many teachers who retire in their early 50s. 10 years before nearly anyone else.

Teaching is a hard job and they probably are underpaid for the value the provide, but this misconception about teachers making below minimum wage and Jen accounting for hours worked is just wrong. Also I know a ton of teachers and most of them aren’t working more than 45-50 hours a week during the school year after their first year or 2.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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I'm using the word abuse because I am referring to abuse as distinct from the abstract kind of suffering that's impossible to have any opinions for or against because it might include hiking long-distance. ;)

Where does a kid walking up to your kid and saying "That shirt looks dumb on you" once a week fall?

Pretty far north of some of the things that happen in the rougher of our public schools.

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> They have no oversight, no taxpayer accountability, no academic or curriculum standards,” said Beth Lewis, director of Save Our Schools Arizona, a public school advocacy group. “We don’t know what kids are learning. That's the point. As a homeschool parent I have to say; It's. None. Of. Your. Business. It's not the main reason we homeschool our 5 kids, but it's important to us still. We've been doing this for a dec…

> Sidebar because Washington Post; We lived in Washington for a few years. WA has particularly onerous requirements around education in general when compared to the rest of the country. I'd go as far as to say that they're completely bonkers.

Despite the location of WaPo's current owner, it's not named for Washington state.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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> They have no oversight, no taxpayer accountability, no academic or curriculum standards,” said Beth Lewis, director of Save Our Schools Arizona, a public school advocacy group. “We don’t know what kids are learning. That's the point. As a homeschool parent I have to say; It's. None. Of. Your. Business. It's not the main reason we homeschool our 5 kids, but it's important to us still. We've been doing this for a dec…

> Sidebar because Washington Post; We lived in Washington for a few years. WA has particularly onerous requirements around education in general when compared to the rest of the country. I'd go as far as to say that they're completely bonkers. Despite the location of WaPo's current owner, it's not named for Washington state.

Thanks, I'm surprised I didn't realize that before.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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As a homeschooled kid: Be warned that I heard “homeschooling has changed since we were in school” in the early 2000s, from multiple parents who are now estranged from their adult children. It hasn’t really changed that much - it’s just something parents like to tell themselves to avoid thinking about the experiences their children are missing.

Throwaway for sensitive topic. I came here to write your comment and was thrilled to find it already here. As a homeschooled kid who considers myself damaged as a result, I completely agree. The OP comment is eerily similar to stuff my parents said in the 2000s-early 10s and were totally wrong about. My parents weren't religious at all and were totally in it for academic enrichment. They were all about the "new wave…

> deeply inculcated desire is parental praise. I feel it even now - peer approval is meaningless; only that pat on the back matters

I ended up that way as a public school student. Perhaps my classmates were morons, but probably not. Just never was captivated by whatever inane camaraderie-building stunts they wanted.

This did change when I joined the marching band. The specialist instructors being barely out of high school themselves helped because the things they'd give you a gold sticker for suddenly were aligned with what my peers would want to see.

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Right, because children are never abused at home…

I added the phrase "by another kid" so nobody would reply with that but it looks like it didn't work because... you might not have read to the end? :-P

That other kid could well be a sibling

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Home schooling is a real burden on many parents who aren't professional teachers of course and are pulled in many directions. One of the most exciting emerging trends in home schooling is to pool the resources of multiple home schooling parents. It's simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day. So home schooling parents can team up and share the…

>This means the kids gather together in one location because many kids can learn from the person doing the teaching. >Often as well it makes sense for the parents all to contribute a little money so that instead of the parents having to teach things that they are not expert in, the can pay as a group for someone with subject expertise to assist. >It can be problematic though gathering so many kids into one house for…

Just like a school with curriculum focused by a small group of parents

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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In aggregate, sure. At a personal level, probably not. Just pick whatever works.

So simple! Why didn't I think of that. The reality is that what homeschooling parents think is "right" is often extremely noxious and damaging. Again, not all of them sure, but a large portion.

> The reality is that what homeschooling parents think is "right" is often extremely noxious and damaging

Yeah, which is why it’s bad in aggregate. But that generally isn’t the case for parents that send their kids to normal school first and then pull them out when things aren’t working out for whichever reason.

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