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Re: Tell HN: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode

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Post by jjav »

AlexandrB wrote: post #235
PheonixPharts wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always a bit surprised how few people realized how many "nice things" from the last decade plus have been heavily subsidized by VC money (which itself was created from low interest rates). Every cool startup that people loved started by burning cash. This made Uber cheap, DoorDash cheap, Youtube helpful and creative, Facebook about connecting with classmates, Twitter a free public forum, Reddit a playground for f…

What's frustrating about all this is the resources wasted on growing businesses that were fundamentally unsustainable. I think a tougher economic climate would have been better for innovation long-term.

> I think a tougher economic climate would have been better for innovation long-term.

I am convinced that the overuse of cloud computing has largely been a byproduct of the money firehose of excessive funding. If money was tighter, massively overpaying for compute and bandwidth should be less attractive.

As someone who is deeply interested about performance, efficiency and scalability, I'm hoping there is a partial industry reversal to caring about these things again.

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Post by PokestarFan »

stubybubs wrote: post #305
PheonixPharts wrote: post #192

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I'm always a bit surprised how few people realized how many "nice things" from the last decade plus have been heavily subsidized by VC money (which itself was created from low interest rates). Every cool startup that people loved started by burning cash. This made Uber cheap, DoorDash cheap, Youtube helpful and creative, Facebook about connecting with classmates, Twitter a free public forum, Reddit a playground for f…

I think this is going to be known as "the Millennial subsidized lifestyle era." Not that it was exclusively used by Millennials, but it's largely what they grew up with. AirBnb was maybe the worst of the bunch, because it has such a dramatic negative externality on housing markets. Entire areas of Barcelona have essentially no real residents because even those who didn't sell to AirBnb investors found it unlivable wi…

How does Spotify lose money? Audio isn't nearly as big as video files. Likely they are just going to make the free tier absolutely suck.

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Post by troupo »

phpisthebest wrote: post #547
partiallypro wrote: post #244

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I don't think this is because of the "end of cheap money" (I don't think this high interest rate environment will last that long) but just sheer incompetence by Musk and his staff. Elon has become increasingly erratic on the platform, he just tweeted recently a reply to a Tweet saying Islam would take over France. I don't know if he's always been like this or if the stories of his heavy ketamine usage are true and ta…

>>I don't think this is because of the "end of cheap money" Explain just about all platforms doing revenue adjusting user hostile actions then? Examples include Reddit with the API fees, YT with the Ad Blocking blocking. etc This is all a reaction to the end of cheap money, aka the cost of capital is going up, so companies need to actually make revenue instead of chasing free capital >>I don't think this high interes…

> Explain just about all platforms doing revenue adjusting user hostile actions then? Examples include Reddit with the API fees

Bad example. Reddit actions (and Twitter actions) are definitely not due any user hostile actions.

> YT with the Ad Blocking blocking.

This one may be has some merit to it, but we only have Google's word for it, and Google itself doesn't seem to be hurting because of all the bad-no-good ad blocking. Is Youtube hurting? No idea.

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Post by jfax »

whitepaint wrote: post #539
user_named wrote: post #293

Reminder that Elon didn't even intend to buy Twitter He wanted to sell ~$2.5 Billion Tesla stock at all-time highs without causing the stock price to significantly deflate, so he used the Twitter purchase suggestion as a cover. He did similar pump and dump schemes with crypto - like Dogecoin - but because Elon is fundamentally a dumb guy, he did the extraordinarily stupid thing of signing a purchase agreement with Tw…

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If you gave someone with a severe learning disability $100billion the first thing they would do is start commissioning rockets and race cars.

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Post by Quarrelsome »

cududa wrote: post #345
Quarrelsome wrote: post #213

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> Can we also have it closed on Sundays? I'm getting flashbacks to the awful luddite boomer propaganda Spielberg crowbarred into the end of "Ready Player One" where he made the online virtual world closed on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

That was from the book

wow _really_? Sorry, I had no idea someone could be capable of writing a book about virtual worlds and then imagine shutting them down two days a week. My apologies Mr Spielberg.

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Post by rsync »

mrtksn wrote: post #525
loso wrote: post #130

I knew the end of the cheap money era would cause some businesses to be exposed but wow. We are basically in the middle of watching someone flush 44 billion down the drain. I could understand if it was a 600 posting limit. But a 600 viewing limit? wow. For example, NBA free agency just started. There are types of trades & signings being talked about. Just looking at that information I'm going past the 600 limit in ab…

What I wonder is, how people who paid for verified account feel about it? First you pay for the reach(more features and priority to display) and then your followers or those who are supposed to reached need to pay to read your content. Some people are actually paying non trivial amounts for business accounts. Normally I'm inclined to think that Musk is a great product person but this one move seems like a jerk reacti…

rsync.net has a verified (gold star ?) account which we neither asked for nor paid for. I think it comes with having an advertising balance ?

Interestingly, we have had (for the first time in years) decent advertising traction on Twitter in the first half of 2023 and I was planning on expanding that.

Advertising a product like ours has been very difficult because the venn diagram of "people who understand rsync.net" and "people who don't use an adblocker* has a very tiny overlap.

So between suspending our reddit promotions due to the dysfunction there and seeing some (very marginal) success with Twitter ads called into question I suspect we're headed back to square one ...

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Post by x86x87 »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #424
x86x87 wrote: post #148

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People are not unidimensional creatures. It's possible to be smart when it comes to certain things and a complete dumbass for ALL other things.

Yea. Perhaps elon is good at other things than sound business decisions.

He seems to be pretty good at taking credit for other's people work.

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Post by iFred »

The past seven months of Twitter as observed through HTTP response latency of various endpoints exposed to the client.

Interesting to see the drop of latency in May inline with BlueSky and the rise in the latency of backend services which looks like a “robbing Peter to pay Paul” situation with compute.

https://bsky.app/profile/ifred.bsky.social/post/3jzi7qzjzzd2...

The Grafana - https://deadbird.singlepane.io/d/0ybkyhO4k/twitter-death-wat...

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Post by jakelazaroff »

soneca wrote: post #466
reaperducer wrote: post #433

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Update from Elon: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1675214274627530754 > Rate limits increasing soon to 8000 for verified, 800 for unverified & 400 for new unverified Well, at least he's engaged over a holiday weekend. If it was my company, this would be a fifteen meetings, a six-month series of sprints, and we still would only decide on a new color for the icon.

I guess a couple of well-run meetings would have prevented this disaster in the first place.

Six months of bureaucratic paralysis would also be better than actually rolling this out.

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Post by skydhash »

cavisne wrote: post #524
dylan604 wrote: post #429

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fine, I'll rephrase: social products. Remember Google+? You and 10 other people do. Most people's memory of Google+ was how to avoid it after it became a mandatory thing for all gmail users, and then it was just gone. So yeah, people really liked that product

Imo Google (basically by accident) owns the best place social network for the next decade - YouTube. Human generated content will become rare and more valuable, which is why the remaining non walled gardens (Reddit and Twitter) are quickly raising the drawbridge. Video will be the last medium to fall to AI generated content pretending to be human generated, and by cloning tiktok across to YouTube shorts they remove t…

> Imo Google (basically by accident) owns the best place social network for the next decade - YouTube.

Does it? I mostly use YouTube on my Apple TV, and the few times I open it elsewhere, I barely check the comments other than to check the audience reception. There are no conversations there.

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