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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by flagrant_taco »

babypuncher wrote: post #535
flagrant_taco wrote: post #467

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Device design is always constrained by the current technology. It isn't impossible to make a phone with current battery tech that doesn't overheat after a year or two of normal use Apple just pushed design to far and underestimated the cooling/heat dissipation required

Heat had nothing to do with it. The internal resistance of the battery increases as it wears out, lowering the peak output current. Increased heat when operating near the current limit is a symptom, not a cause. Adding a fan or a chonky heatsink to your iPhone wouldn't magically raise this limit.

I don't believe I ever said heat was the cause, if I did I misphrased my point. Excess heat was absolutely the symptom, but it was a symptom of a design that was pushed beyond the limits of regular operation.

A two year old lithium battery under normal use will hardly degrade at all. Any design that pushed the limits so far that a degredation of a few percent over promised and under delivered. In Apples case it could be remedied with a software update, but that doesn't mean the device held up to the original performance claims over a standard life cycle of device use.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by flagrant_taco »

babypuncher wrote: post #533
flagrant_taco wrote: post #425

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Shipping a device that will overheat and reboot when the device is a couple years old and fixing it by silently throttling the device isn't pro consumer either Those devices really should have been recalled or offered a generous trade-in value to account for the fundamental design flaw

It's not a fundamental design flaw, this will happen with every device that ships with a modern rechargeable battery. Android does the exact same thing now, but I don't see people boycotting Google over it. The problem was that Apple didn't communicate this to the user. People didn't know why their phone was slow.

I haven't actually seen Google specifically call out that their devices will be throttled in a year or two. I'd be curious to see thatif you have a link though, I haven't kept as up to date with the more recent pixel devices.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by flagrant_taco »

thebruce87m wrote: post #494
justsomehnguy wrote: post #483

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> It has nothing to do with overheating. It is battery ageing. The internal resistance of a battery increases as it ages, leading to brownouts when peak current happens yawn Why my 8 years old Moto XT910 eat the battery like cookies but did not reboot ? It's battery wasnot only old, but swollen a bit, it's USB port was damaged so sometimes the charge didn't actually happened... but it still could survive a couple of…

I’m not sure what answer you’re looking for here - each system is different. Design, manufacturing, usage patterns will all play a part. When batterygate happened my wife’s phone was throttled but mine wasn’t. She didn’t care and never got the battery replaced but she definitely would have upgraded sooner if it was rebooting. Are you saying that Apple use different battery technology to everyone else? Or what is your…

I had one of the early generation 17" MacBook pros that ended up with a swollen battery. And when I say swollen, I mean the case eventually split in two and was about 1/2" taller than it was originally.

Granted this happened because glue in the battery was compromised by excess heat because Steve Jobs preferred heat over the sound of a fan, but the machine never rebooted or shut down due to heat or decreased max voltage.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by realitythreek »

heleninboodler wrote: post #498
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #399

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I really don't get this battery life complaint. What kind of system are you running? On my thinkpad, arch install squeezes 9 hours after 7 years of use. On a dell XPS I'd get about 13 hours with the gpu disabled and display set to 1440p instead of 4k. Sure you might say "but I need my GPU and 4k 15'' display" to which I reply eh maybe but I don't.

My ThinkPad running linux gets absolutely fantastic battery life with the exception that when I close it and put it in my backpack, I have about a 25% chance of discovering later that, while closed, it turned the screen on and and ran the fans at full speed to kill the battery because it was, I don't know... bored of being in a bag?

My work ThinkPad running Windows has exactly the same problem. Modern Standby I’m told.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by chillbill »

globular-toast wrote: post #247
userbinator wrote: post #10

Microsoft is always striving to improve and streamline our product experiences—offering a new way to use the classic Microsoft Outlook app on Windows and the Microsoft Edge web browser. to help you stay engaged in conversations as you browse the web. I wonder if the people who write this sort of BS-filled prose really believe in what they're writing. To be completely honest, the style almost sounds like LLM output.

They believe what they're writing will please the people that pay them.

their

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by imkehno »

OJFord wrote: post #435
xen2xen1 wrote: post #319

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Everything is easier on Windows 11. If you have 10 it's all harder and less built in, and some features don't work at all

It is 10 yes. I glossed over a few steps as 'updated and restarted' - I actually spent an entire day trying to enable secure boot and (as required in order to) upgrade to 11 and then recovering from fearing I'd bricked it. (GPU doesn't support it, I now think (beforehand had no idea that even might be an issue). Motherboard then wouldn't revert to integrated graphics even with the card removed.) I really can't fathom…

During the last 10 years or so I’ve gradually been using less and less Windows. Used to do everything on Windows - now at home, it’s only for gaming and I’ve been dabbling with proton to hop off the sinking ship. Due to some proprietary windows tied software, I have to use dualboot at work. All development work is and has been done on Linux for a good while.

Don’t want to support WSL - due Microsoft being Microsoft, mediocrity and smoke and mirrors to leech on your telemetry. Am waiting anxiously for the moment to cut off the final ties with Microsoft OS.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by afiori »

dbbk wrote: post #187
afiori wrote: post #154

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This is what I want personally. I use different browsers for different things: let me fucking chose which browser to use. I am currently wondering how easy it would be to build a "shim browser" that you can set as default but does not actually open the page, it only list the urls apps tried to open and lets you copy them to whichever browser you prefer.

You're an extremely niche use case... most people do not use multiple browsers.

If not multiple browsers many use different profiles, and then you would want to chose the appropriate profile

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by soraminazuki »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #505
soraminazuki wrote: post #431

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So that's every device with rechargeable batteries then.

Not really, most devices are designed with a commination of passive and active cooling as needed to operate under normal conditions. Apple just has a history of prioritizing design asthenic and they're willing to push the limits on thermal regulation.

> most devices are designed with a commination of passive and active cooling

Smartphones with active cooling? You must live in world that's very different from the one I live in.

Also, as mentioned in other replies, your whole point about "overheating and rebooting" is a straw man. Throttling was introduced to address battery aging. Again, a problem that affects every device with rechargeable batteries.

> Apple just has a history of prioritizing design asthenic and they're willing to push the limits on thermal regulation.

Except they do have thermal controls...

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