If anybody has suggestions on where those of us taking part in the mass exodus can go, I’m all ears….
Apollo will close down on June 30th
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#572Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Don't be evil" is simply impossible for large corporations I see Patagonia as the antithesis of this broadly accepted assertion. It's possible, it just takes having a goal for your company that's more than greed.
Patagonia is pushing polyester with its associated micro-plastics, instead of the renewable natural fibers that they were using before like wool. Good, evil, depends on who is counting.
It's hard to get to the billion dollar size and do literally zero things that anyone could criticize on moral grounds.
I would assert that there does not exist a company which is both larger than Patagonia, and more moral than they are.
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#573Honestly, I'm surprised that spez kept his job after getting caught modifying user comments straight from the production db[0]. That's who these people are dealing with, to be clear. And now he's accusing Apollo of threatening Reddit? Give me a break. How is this the guy who's gonna lead Reddit to the promised land? 0: https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-stev...
I mean that was really stupid of him, but it seems like the kind of thing someone would do impulsively one time and then never again after getting reprimanded. Meanwhile, this API debacle has made me lose all respect for Reddit and its leadership — if everything the Apollo dev is saying is true, this is completely inexcusable. Reddit lied to the faces of the developers who trusted them and depended on them for their…
Maybe a junior developer fresh out of college does it once and gets reprimanded and probably fired.
But the CEO? Who presumably presided over numerous discussions involving appropriate data access policies and risk to the company’s reputation? That’s shockingly juvenile and shortsighted.
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#574> Steve: "Apollo threatened us, said they’ll “make it easy” if Reddit gave them $10 million." Steve: "This guy behind the scenes is coercing us. He's threatening us." I can't believe that CEO of Reddit was telling internal people that Apollo tried to blackmail Reddit for a $10 million payout when that didn't happen.
I wonder how the employees will feel when they realize they were lied to, now that Christian has released an audio recording of the call.
given Spez has a long history of lying they probably dont care, they're just as complicit as he is.
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#575Everyone is looking for an alternative Twitter but Reddit is straight up becoming a corporate bad guy and no one is looking for an alternative Reddit.
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#576> Then yesterday, moderators told me they were on a call with CEO Steve Huffman (spez), and he said the following per their transcript: > Steve: "Apollo threatened us, said they’ll “make it easy” if Reddit gave them $10 million." Steve: "This guy behind the scenes is coercing us. He's threatening us." > Wow. Because my memory is that you didn't take it as a threat, and you even apologized profusely when you admitted…
Reddit leadership desperate to dump the pig on public markets, pulling out all the stops. Literally their only path forward is to find some other greater fool to hold the bags, regardless of what they have to say to make it happen. Edit: Maybe keep an eye on what they say to catch them performing material securities fraud? Wayback early, wayback often! Edit 2: Damage control mode: https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comm…
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#577Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is really astounding to see the CEO of Reddit being caught in a blatant lie denigrating a third party developer whose work has done a lot for the platform and who has the ear of a reasonably sized and loud portion of the community. I really hadn’t expected that. Corporate doublespeak is one thing, and management decisions aren’t necessarily always in the interest of their users - but such an egregious act is reall…
I actually believe reddit when they say the impact is small I'm using reddit for ages and never even considered anything besides their website. If the traffic to their site is primarily from the web (or web mobile or the official Reddit app), the client (3th party) users are only a loud minority. Of course I think the behavior is shitty but I don't think most people really care and reddit will not see any real impact…
Only if you believe that all users are equal, but just like free to play games that have whales Reddit has power users that create most of the content and are typically the mods that work for free. They are going to be the most impacted by the API cost changes, and if they leave Reddit will not work.
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#578I just don’t see Reddit’s response here other than “yes, turns out we are the bad guys who have been continually lying and manipulating the situation for our benefit”. I wonder if they’ll see employees quit over this. How do you trust your employer after this? I bet some subreddits will go permanently private or delete themselves over this. Just absolutely stunning turn of events, massive kudos to Christian for recor…
>I bet some subreddits will go permanently private or delete themselves over this. Subreddits are run by volunteer moderators and are entirely at the whim of reddit. If any substantial subreddit tried to shut down or go dark permanently reddit would just remove the moderators responsible.
... or the community would spin up a new one with a slightly different name and a new set of moderators if the demand is there.
There are lots of permanently dark/private subreddits out there that have been "lost" to some dispute or another.
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#579RIF has now announced they will also be shutting down on June 30th https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/144gmfq/rif_wi...
This is pretty wild. I don't think I've ever seen something like this. I like it. I think Reddit needs to come down to reality.
You like it? This is the effect Reddit was trying to create - destroying third party apps which they are finding difficult to monetize. They're betting that these users will start using the website and the official Reddit app. How is this a good thing?
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#580I just don’t see Reddit’s response here other than “yes, turns out we are the bad guys who have been continually lying and manipulating the situation for our benefit”. I wonder if they’ll see employees quit over this. How do you trust your employer after this? I bet some subreddits will go permanently private or delete themselves over this. Just absolutely stunning turn of events, massive kudos to Christian for recor…
Sync too; the true gold standard of Reddit apps.