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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by d0mine »

kranke155 wrote: post #413
egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

TikTok is evil. Let’s stop with the whataboutism

Are you suggesting that other countries should ban Google, Facebook, etc?

The pot calling the kettle black.

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Post by piloto_ciego »

thethimble wrote: post #511
tlogan wrote: post #510

Can somebody explain to me how TikTok in iPhone is worse than Facebook? The say "TikTok collects a large amount of personal information, which has raised concerns about data mining and potential misuse of user data." - what information they collect and Facebook does not collect?

China https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-bytedance-shou-zi-chew-8d8...

Really, the difference is just yellow panic nonsense.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by diebeforei485 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #546
diebeforei485 wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ir they'd move to Instagram Reels / YouTube Shorts, which are equal products except for the user base. Bluesky is cool now because it's a gated community of privileged connected people, not because it's inherently better than Twitter.

Wait, wasn't Bluesky a Mastodon alternative, but without cancel crowd pathology? I need to get my Fediverse map straight.

The selling point of Bluesky is that it's invite only, so it's a bubble of people who only post things that confirm your priors.

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Post by themitigating »

kranke155 wrote: post #413
egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

TikTok is evil. Let’s stop with the whataboutism

That's subjective and it doesn't matter.

You want to take away a first admendment right (imo) then you need definite proof that it's harmful

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by CapstanRoller »

twelve40 wrote: post #569
CapstanRoller wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snowden: "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

that's a very non-answer answer to the question of why would China pay $10+ or whatever for my address and my location in the US. To sway my vote? How does this make any sense?

I always assume that I'm not the smartest person in the room/world. There are 'unknown unknowns' everywhere, and people far smarter than me dedicate their lives to creating more of these unknowns for their own purposes, the purposes of their employers, their governments, etc.

I know this type of data can be misused in a variety of ways. Despite the fact that I can't exactly articulate how it might be misused in this instance, I choose 'default deny' because it reduces attack surface and the amount of unknowns that I have to contend with.

It seems you operate on a 'default allow' rule when it comes to this stuff, and you're welcome to choose that for yourself, but this is a minority position in today's distrustful world. It is very optimistic!

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by themitigating »

stale2002 wrote: post #175
logicchains wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries This is the same logic that China uses to ban all western apps. Fortunately in the west, countries don't have rights, people do, and citizens generally have the right to run whatever software they want on the hardware devices they own. Governments that violate such rights get challenged in court.

> citizens generally have the right to run whatever software they want Fortunately this isn't a restriction on citizens. Instead, is a law regulating businesses. We have all sorts of laws, regulating businesses, all the time.

Why is this distinction important?

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Post by tete »

logdap wrote: post #517
zabana wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, most people outside the "larger ethnic group" in the US couldn't care less about their data being funneled to the CCP. The anti china/russia/ seems to really be a WASP centric pathological obsession. Just my 2c

National security is not a uniquely "wasp" concern, which you would know if you were ever in the military. What an incredibly ignorant and racist thing to suggest.

Could you enlighten us?
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