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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by themaninthedark »

riskable wrote: post #473
CydeWeys wrote: post #435

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Ok, how about at most state levels then? I seriously doubt you could wire up new construction in a completely nonstandard way and then expect to pass inspection.

I'm pretty sore 100% of all US states mandate that all new construction adhere to the National Electrical Code (NEC). Specifically, NFPA 70. They just delegate the authority as to what's "standard" to that non-governmental body. Every few years the National Fire Protection Agency (NFPA)--which is a non-governmental nonprofit--publishes an updated standard and then it's up to all the state legislatures to update the l…

Part of the Georgia problem is that our laws are the same way! The legislators would vote to adopt case law that had added notes/ guidance by a third party, the third party would change fees to view what is then now the law!

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by sneakerblack »

wskinner wrote: post #562
oasisbob wrote: post #542

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> But the idea that a trans-national government over 750M people should be trying to regulate in this level of detail is just obviously a recipe for disaster Why? Standards harmonization has big upsides too. For example, the EU PPE safety standards are so good that there aren't even North American equivalents for many products. If you buy a climbing carabiner in the US, it's being tested according to a test procedure…

If the standards are so good, they shouldn’t need to force companies to use them.

This is not how incentives work. Companies can and have creates inferior and dangerous products for the sake of profits. See the Phoebus cartel and the BMW emission scandal.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by baq »

revelio wrote: post #434
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #399

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Those laptop also support USB-C charging however, you don’t have to use MagSafe. They brought back MagSafe because customers weren’t satisfied with USB-C charging.

Yes ... exactly ... they reintroduced a non-standard connector because people preferred it to the standard one. See the problem?

No, I don’t.

They’re supporting both standard and proprietary. My MacBook Pro is connected to a multi port USB-C charger 99% of the time, which also charges my phone and my headset. MagSafe sits in the backpack when I need to work somewhere else than my desk, which doesn’t happen much. I’d argue it’s the best of both worlds.

If it only supported MagSafe I’d be seriously annoyed.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by drexlspivey »

rmm wrote: post #97

I just realised I rarely plug a cable into my phone at all these days. Genuinely I think the last time I did was in a hire car that only had cable CarPlay. At my desk I got a wireless charger as well as my bed side. Data is over the cloud now etc Serious question how long until they drop the port full stop? Like what if they achieve serious wireless charging speeds And actually does anyone know if that’s allowed with…

Apple is not adding USB-C to iPhone, they will drop the port completely. If you follow any interview with Apple execs they very specifically say “We will comply with the law”, not “we will add USB-C”. The law says that if there is a port it must be USB-C but it doesn’t mandate the existence of one.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by leodriesch »

taf2 wrote: post #118

What happens when there is a better USB-C plug - isn't there a concern that locking into the current standard means in 50 years the EU is still stuck. I imagine we're in uncharted territory given in less then my lifetime USB was invented and has gone through at least 14 iterations e.g. it's been changing very fast. Unfortunately I fear even asking this question probably angers some, but I think it's an interesting qu…

This will probably also kill any R&D in that space, because why would you invest in searching for a better charging port only to have it denied by the EU.

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Post by lelanthran »

crazygringo wrote: post #556
gtirloni wrote: post #543

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All laws have corner cases that are not covered. All laws. If laws were to cover every imaginable situation, they would be huge. Some already are... you have a whole bureaucracy working to understand them. That's why you often hear about the "spirit of the law" where humans know pretty well what the legislator is trying to accomplish, even though it's not fully codified in subsequent rules.

This is simply not true. Laws can be written exceptionally clearly, and very often are. And the "spirit of the law" is a fallacy, which your sentence exposes when you write: > "the legislator is trying to accomplish" Because yes, there is absolutely intent with a single legislator. But there is no such thing as intent or spirit for a legislature (or committee). A legislature can pass a law, say 51 to 49, where every…

> Again, the "spirit of the law" is a fallacy. It's an illusion people would like to believe, but it doesn't exist.

You might want to tell that to multiple judges who rule daily on the spirit of the law.

TBH, I don't think that you know how the law works better than judges and magistrates do.

You know what a loophole is, right?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Post by drexlspivey »

pipodeclown wrote: post #59
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #27

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Apple can easily afford this. The real reasons for their foot-dragging are their need to differentiate their products, and their need (driven by their organisational culture) to feel that they are in control.

What he means is, having a proprietary connector means they can milk accessory makers with licensing fees.

Why do the new ipads have USB-C then?

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Post by sbuk »

eastbound wrote: post #456
sbuk wrote: post #132

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Lazy reasoning. Previous bad press when changing 30-pin to lightning.

The bad press was because it was a proprietary-connector-against-a-newer-proprietary-connector. Had Apple changed for USB-C at the time, or USB mini, it would have made the same positive press as when the Macbook Pro got back to normal (ie not “Here’s a single port for everything, go buy an Apple dongle if you want to plug a screen”).

The USB-C spec wasn't finalised until the following year and only fully standardised in 2016. The USC-C port, which Apple contributed to considerably first appeared in 2015. Micro USB, which superseded Mini USB, was and remains to be complete and utter shite. Lightning was actually well received by the tech press of the time for being significantly better than Micro USB. The "bad press" was users on this site, among others, whining about their other 30-pin gadgets.

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Post by flangola7 »

wskinner wrote: post #562
oasisbob wrote: post #542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the idea that a trans-national government over 750M people should be trying to regulate in this level of detail is just obviously a recipe for disaster Why? Standards harmonization has big upsides too. For example, the EU PPE safety standards are so good that there aren't even North American equivalents for many products. If you buy a climbing carabiner in the US, it's being tested according to a test procedure…

If the standards are so good, they shouldn’t need to force companies to use them.

Without government force companies will not act in the interest of the consumer or employees. Seatbelts, airbags, and crash testing are obviously fantastic standards, but require significant and continuous cash expenditure. Few or no auto companies would invest in them without the public mandating it. Indeed, many companies lobbied and vehemently protested it when first implemented.
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