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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by joemazerino »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #553
asynchronous wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug. I remember reading blog after blog on HN about people moving out of SF specifically for what the city had become.

The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

Not "all time low" but a 40 year low. Its easy to fuzz numbers when you start extremely high.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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virgildotcodes wrote: post #553
asynchronous wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug. I remember reading blog after blog on HN about people moving out of SF specifically for what the city had become.

The linked article specifically shows that violent crime in SF is at an all time low, and lower than most other comparably sized cities.

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by geebee »

kenjackson wrote: post #101
danso wrote: post #64

People were so quick to assume the nature of the crime even when no info about a possible suspect had been publicly released. Check the quote tweets to Bob's 2019 tweet about "recognize that your black friends face challenges you don’t" https://www.twitter.com/crazybob/status/1181668744247930880/...

The comments on that tweet are sickening. And people will say with a straight face that there are no more race problems in this country except wokeism.

Yes, there are a lot of people who will say that. They provide a living, walking straw man, and there are enough of them that I can't say you're cherry picking. As for the tweet, I can't see any reason I'd start reading twitter now, I've been long disgusted with the quality of discourse on twitter.

But if you decide to dismiss the concerns about the excesses of the far left by pointing to racist responses to a tweet somewhere, you aren't being honest about a real problem.

I avoid the term "woke", but when James Carville (famous democratic strategist) said "wokeness is a problem and everyone knows it" (in regards to the far left harming mainstream democrats in elections), I'm not sitting around scratching my head bewildered as to what he's talking about.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by curo »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #560
curo wrote: post #551

> The alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew. I commented below but the IT consulting LLC in the bio is inactive (both in the division of corp website and online). Is that the only evidence here for the statement above?

You might want to start by reading the story before you try and dismantle it. A few paragraphs later: Rather, Lee and Momeni were portrayed by police as being familiar with one another. In the wee hours of April 4, they were purportedly driving together through downtown San Francisco in a car registered to the suspect.

I'd love a link to the SFPD statement if you have it (I cannot find it)

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Post by vkou »

LawTalkingGuy wrote: post #399
vkou wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're performing a sleight of hand. No city census or national crime analysis categorizes burglary as a violent crime, and I'm not sure why you called SF out on it. I don't look down on people complaining about property crime, I'd just like them to be honest about what they are complaining about. SF is 55 out of the biggest 100 cities on burglary rates, by the way. (It's interesting how all this is apparently a cont…

> No city census or national crime analysis categorizes burglary as a violent crime, and I'm not sure why you called SF out on it. Most other cities aren't wallowing in it the same way, and aren't holier than thou despite their polices clearly having caused the issue. But you're right, it's not just SF. LA and Seattle are pretty much right there too. The crime cities like SF are worth calling out in a way that other…

> LA and Seattle

That's a strange way of spelling Cleveland, Memphis, Baton Rouge, Tulsa, Baltimore, Albuquerque, Detroit, Mobile, Cincinnati, Toledo, Des Moines, Seattle, Indianapolis, Spokane, St. Louis, San Bernadino, Bakersfield, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Milwaukee, Buffalo, Minneapolis, Durham, Orlando, Wichita... And I can't be bothered to list the next 30, all of whom also have more burglaries per capita than SF, and most of which also have more assaults, murders, and rapes.

LA is #73 on the burglary index, by the way.

You're making a lot of claims, and providing zero data for them.

> These crime rates are what's reported by the police and they refuse to take reports of anything that hasn't escalated

Please provide a shred of evidence that this doesn't happen in any of the other other cities listed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Why even bother arguing this question, if all you have is anecdotes, speculation and just-so stories?

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Post by pb7 »

acchow wrote: post #470
dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

I imagine SF feels probably fine coming from another American city. But if you moved here from Seoul, it would be terrifying

You're probably right. Similarly, the tolerated racism in South Korea would also be terrifying to people here.

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Post by nkingsy »

curo wrote: post #551

> The alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew. I commented below but the IT consulting LLC in the bio is inactive (both in the division of corp website and online). Is that the only evidence here for the statement above?

"In the wee hours of April 4, they were purportedly driving together through downtown San Francisco in a car registered to the suspect."

This is from "multiple police sources" from the article.

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Post by rhaway84773 »

curo wrote: post #549

Is the "Expand IT, Inc" on the LinkedIn profile the only evidence that the "alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew." There's comments is this thread of amazing journalism but the LLC shows as inactive on the Division of CA website (entity 201008110204) and the Expand IT website itself is dead. For all we know, this is a Lyft or Uber driver. Unless I'm missing some SFPD statement known to…

It’s pretty obviously not. The answers are in the article. The police claims they were driving together. You don’t usually drive together with someone you don’t know late at night.

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Post by ipaddr »

jzellis wrote: post #187

When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…

Sounds like someone is trying to put themselves in a category and everyone else in another. You were part of a wave of colonizers, taking spaces from poorer people. You can't hide behind being artsy.. those tend to be the biggest colonizers
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