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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by hajile »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #562
runjake wrote: post #503

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> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

The MacBook Air has been solid since inception, and that machine is good enough for the vast majority of people.

It kills me that I can only get ONE external monitor. It would otherwise be perfect.

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Post by notatoad »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

my previous air went for 3 years before something got screwed up in the thermals and the fan needed to run constantly, and selling it to somebody who wanted to fix it was the easiest way to deal with it. The apple store wouldn't do anything for me. now the M1 Air that i got in january 2021 has a failing keyboard.

this isn't "anti-apple bias", i like macs and will keep buying them. but the claim that they're more durable or longer-lasting than equivalent windows laptops is just nonsense. you can't expect 9 years out of one, but if you're very very lucky it might last that long.

my Acer chromebook that i bought in 2013 is "still going strong". so is the pair of the absolute cheapest possible dell inspiron i bought in 2012 for rental customers to use at outdoor events. but i'm not going around telling people they should expect acer or dell laptops to last a decade.

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Post by TrevorJ »

arcticbull wrote: post #322
TrevorJ wrote: post #304

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The prices are bad enough, but what really seals the deal is the forced obsolescence. I have an older macbook that I was trying to upgrade to the newer OS and they make it basically impossible. I struggled for a few days on it, then I just installed ubuntu and it works perfectly. Apple's value proposition seems to be "pay an arm and a leg for something we will break anytime we think you should give us more money."

New macOS historically runs on devices between 5 and 10 years old. Longest in recent memory was El Cap which supported 8-10 year old devices. Shortest was Snow Leopard, which supported 3 year old devices. Ventura is lower, 4-5 years, but that happens periodically when aligned with major architectural changes. [edit] Honestly, their support cycle is pretty impressive. And just because they don't release a newer versio…

I've run into this a few times with Apple. It's not that the upgrade is explicitly not allowed by policy. It's just that things are broken in ways which prevent you upgrading/using the device properly. I don't know if it's just lack of care on Apple's part, incompetence, honest mistakes or a stealth method of forcing an upgrade. In any case, hardware that seemed slow and outdated with Apple's software ecosystem now runs perfectly with Ubuntu. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by astrange »

mrkstu wrote: post #570
astrange wrote: post #556

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No, threatening people with death isn't a good way to get dynamism. The American middle class healthcare system, employer plans, is specifically designed to reduce dynamism by making it harder to quit your job. There's other advantages but not that one.

Those w/o means have Medicaid and those with minimal means have Obamacare- you're a little out of date with that specific complaint.

That's why I said "middle class". I made the same point as you one reply over.

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Post by smoldesu »

dimmke wrote: post #527
runjake wrote: post #503

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> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

I guess I got lucky too. Because I bought a 2012 MBP (the first generation that had the HiDPI Retina displays) and it lasted me over 6 years of daily, hard use. It was still in decent condition but my job at the time got me one of the newer ones. Of course, that one had the bad keyboard and had to be swapped. 2016-2020 the dark ages but outside of that 4 year period (that Apple has firmly reversed course on), Apple's…

The #1 thing preventing Apple from getting into S-tier is user-serviceable storage.

Baking on the memory? It's frustrating and gimps the device lifespan, but arguably unavoidable with the bandwidth Apple is targeting. Without replaceable storage though, every Apple Silicon device is effectively a ticking time-bomb. These devices will all hit their TBW limit long before they're unusable, and Apple refused to anticipate this because... it side-steps their pricing scheme?

The current Macbook lineup is a step in the right direction, but far from perfect. Even ignoring my hundred gripes with MacOS, I think there are clear hardware improvements they can make with future iterations. None of these improvements seem particularly profitable though, so I'm not counting on Apple adding them.

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Post by madduci »

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Not only Macbooks, also the iPads have seen an absurd increase in price, especially the iPad Mini, going from 379 € to 579€.

Sure, newer devices are faster and their lifecycle is longer, but the prices are becoming really out of reality.

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Post by oezi »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #260
piva00 wrote: post #227

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But that's moving the goalposts, Europe has a bunch of countries with small populations, Sweden is 16th in population from 40+ countries. Aside from Germany, Italy, the UK, France, Spain and Poland all the other countries will hover +- ~10 million people compared to Sweden. It's smack in the median of population size in Europe.

In all fairness, Sweden isn't exactly doing remarkably well either. It's fertility rate is still well below replacement level. It's still in terminal decline. Just a tad slower than its peers.

What is the difference between decline and terminal decline?

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Post by pjmlp »

Dalewyn wrote: post #69
KptMarchewa wrote: post #55

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>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

Windows also does perfectly fine with 8GB. Hint, being a developer doesn't require using Docker all the time.

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Post by matwood »

piva00 wrote: post #355
altcognito wrote: post #267

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I would love to hear more macOS users admit that their equipment was a status indicator, overpriced for what it is. I’m sure apple is excited about cultivating this brand identity. If there is one way I can think that they could get away from the “Sony” or Nike model, it’s being seen as a luxury item, a tool of the select few, instead of just a high quality brand, that yes, might be a little more expensive. -- Just a…

I'd also love to hear how could people price in the value of the experience they get from using their device every single day. I say that as a former Mac/Apple hater, I used to think all the usual tropes: how overpriced it was for the configuration, how all Mac users were part of a cult, brainwashed for status, so on and so forth. Until I got a Mac for work, planning to just install Linux on it but after seeing some…

I was an Apple hater long ago, then a buddy gave me his G4 PB when he bought his first Intel MBP. I begrudgingly started using it, then bought my own Intel MBP, giving the G4 PB to another friend (who was also converted). OSX/macOS gave me most of the utility of a unix in a nice GUI environment that I rarely have to mess with.

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Post by rootusrootus »

crazygringo wrote: post #293
dahfizz wrote: post #134

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That's crazy. In the USA, $2000 gets a m2 air with 24GB ram and 1TB drive. The cheapest option is $1200. Is there added taxes / tarrifs for the european prices? That's much worse than just the EUR/USD exchange rate.

Yes, average European VAT is 21%, which is built into the price. Unlike American sales tax which is added at the register. So to fairly compare prices by exchange rate you always need to discount the European price to subtract its VAT first.

> to fairly compare prices by exchange rate you always need to discount the European price to subtract its VAT first.

Even then, it's imperfect. Some of us in the US do not pay sales tax.

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