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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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"Screeching" in english (at least North American english) is typically a gendered derogative. You generally wouldn't say a man was "screeching", not unless you also wanted to imply he was effeminate. By avoiding the word, you avoid insinuating the target's gender is part of the issue, and/or avoid insinuating that the target is effeminate when they "should not" be, i.e. you avoid homophobia.

Either I am completely out of touch, or this comment is nonsense. A screech is a high pitched sound, nothing more unless otherwise indicated.

It's not "nonsense" -- it's "woke praxis." By asserting this new understanding of language, woke activists are able to shape social reality. That's the point of the movement. So comments like this are a form of enacting that world. (And I suppose comments like mine are ways of pushing back against it.) Anyway, the wokies are correct about this very applied or pragmatic aspect of language.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Screeching" in english (at least North American english) is typically a gendered derogative. You generally wouldn't say a man was "screeching", not unless you also wanted to imply he was effeminate. By avoiding the word, you avoid insinuating the target's gender is part of the issue, and/or avoid insinuating that the target is effeminate when they "should not" be, i.e. you avoid homophobia.

Interestingly, while I get what you're saying - and can agree that "screeching" probably is at least slightly gendered when applied to humans - in my experience I've more often encountered "screeching" applied to non-human entities, like birds. Enough so that I would not automatically make any connection to the use of the word "screeching" as specifically being a gendered derogative aimed at women (although context w…

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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I'd be interested in hearing the most credible/reputable sources speaking out in favor of these changes. I've exclusively seen commentators dunking on this (rightfully so), across the political spectrum. To be clear: I'm wondering if we can find specific people speaking up for this, not an analysis of whose side of the culture war is most culpable for it.

There’s an early chapter in Charlie and the Glass Elevator that feels like it was written by a racist 11 year old, with the idiot president making fun of every ethnicity in the most banal way possible.

I skipped it when reading the story to my children.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#574

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Either I am completely out of touch, or this comment is nonsense. A screech is a high pitched sound, nothing more unless otherwise indicated.

It's not "nonsense" -- it's "woke praxis." By asserting this new understanding of language, woke activists are able to shape social reality. That's the point of the movement. So comments like this are a form of enacting that world. (And I suppose comments like mine are ways of pushing back against it.) Anyway, the wokies are correct about this very applied or pragmatic aspect of language.

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. I know this topic is fraught but your comment here is a noticeable step in that direction ad we want to go exactly the opposite direction: curious conversation is not about smiting enemies or intensifying brawls.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#575

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Either I am completely out of touch, or this comment is nonsense. A screech is a high pitched sound, nothing more unless otherwise indicated.

It's nonsense and presumably was made up on the spot. Unfortunately it's impossible to tell anymore if the people that write these things actually believe them or are just trolling.

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar.

more at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34854743

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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I'm sorry, maybe I don't understand your reply. Did you read my comment as some sort of justification of either the Dahl estate's rewriting of Dahl's work or the state sponsored censorship in happening in Florida?

It read to me as if you think there isn’t sufficient standing to criticize these edits as long as another problem exists. The “I would also like to bring to your attention…” makes the denouncement in the previous sentence seem sarcastic. Replied in good faith to what I hope was an earnest question.

That was not my intention at all.

I thought clearly stating that I thought TFA was a messed up situation made that clear.

I think both things are not good.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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The thing with hogwarts legacy is that the minorities who are affected are like 1% of the population. Even if 100% of them loudly proclaimed anything anywhere on any social media platform, it would barely affect anything simply because they’re so small compared to the rest of the population. This is in the same sense that only a minority of the population are severely immunocompromised to the point where Covid is sti…

I think I disagree with both of your points: > There’s simply no possible way for a minority of such a small size to make any waves happen anywhere, not even on anything as small as a popular video game. There's an old quote - "Never assume a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. Its the only thing that ever has." The radical left - for all that they're championing the rights of a small group o…

You’re going off about a lot of stuff but all I’m saying is that if even 100% of all trans people loudly proclaimed they wanted to be against the Harry Potter game they probably wouldn’t accomplish shit just because they’re such a small population. I mean literally we have laws being passed in some states to ban all of 2 trans kids (in the entire state) from participating in sports. It’s not like they can do anything to defend themselves here.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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It turns out that Dahl was a real antisemite, to me that is more of an issue: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-fam...

I don't want to downplay antisemitism - its a real problem. But why does that bother you, given he's dead? Matilda was one of my favorite books when I was a kid. There's something in it that hits me right in the soul, even as an adult. I hear you when you say his antisemitism is an issue for you - but - I just can't see how that has any bearing on my relationship with his books. As a child I didn't understand, and no…

> Scott Orson Card

It's "Orson Scott Card."

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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It’s homophobic to assume men being effeminate makes them gay.

It’s off the mark, sure, but you can think being effeminate makes someone gay without being afraid of gay people.

I don't think homophobic literally means 'afraid of gay people'. In common use it is more often synonymous with 'gay hating'

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#580

I'd be interested in hearing the most credible/reputable sources speaking out in favor of these changes. I've exclusively seen commentators dunking on this (rightfully so), across the political spectrum. To be clear: I'm wondering if we can find specific people speaking up for this, not an analysis of whose side of the culture war is most culpable for it.

It's the publishers desire to make money, that's it. I'd rather they kept he original text and add an advisory at beginning. It's insulting for those of us that read it and even realized back then they weren't so great.
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