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Payloads from a balloon could be dropped, payloads released in orbit stay in orbit. LEO would be a very bad choice for anything intended to eventually interact with the ground in other ways than using electromagnetic waves.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Pebbles
Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials
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> So, tell me again about why everything is the fault of "The West", including all the western countries who have never attacked anyone, in your mind? Not the person you're responding to, but I think it is important to recognize that the US is practically the military of The West (and some more like Japan and Korea), or rather those on the side of democracy in the cold war. Lots of this is because after a bunch of ve…
The reason there is peace is that the European nations formed an economic union with a high degree of interdependence and the obvious restriction on a certain ww2 losing country to no longer have a functioning army and go full pacifism as its geographic location allows it to attack all of Europe simultaneously. The German Bundeswehr is a joke to the point where it is even unable to defend its own country and no Germa…
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> So, tell me again about why everything is the fault of "The West", including all the western countries who have never attacked anyone, in your mind? Not the person you're responding to, but I think it is important to recognize that the US is practically the military of The West (and some more like Japan and Korea), or rather those on the side of democracy in the cold war. Lots of this is because after a bunch of ve…
I found that line of thought, peace through war or rather weapons, very weak when I first encountered it in a school's classroom in the 80s. I find it untrue. Real peace can only be without weapons. I don't want to go back to this same old rhetoric I grew up with and which I was happy to have ended, until 9/11 and the US making a 180° turn, because now they had no one to counter their ambitions to dominate the world,…
I'd love to live in a world without weapons, but I don't see how such a thing is even possible, from multiple angles. If that's not possible, then it is about how to minimize fighting and lives lost. After all, that is why we'd want no weapons. That solution space is rather complex and likely non-convex.
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Right and all of the EU benefits and invests in the World Bank which is one of the major forces used to keep the third world always in a state of "developing" through structural adjustment policies that keep them from ever actually developing
I can’t tell if you think the World Bank should do more/different or stop meddling entirely and allow the countries to develop on their own.
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At 20k feet, that's solidly in the middle of everyday commercial air traffic.
Understood, but is it reasonable to say that any car sized balloon floating at 20k ft is now worthy of a military response?
Who else but the military would enforce that kind of thing? The cops?
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I'm failing to understand how balloons are different from satellites, save for altitude; those sats could be carrying payloads other than ISR as well.
A limit to the airspace belonging to each country has to be defined. Otherwise (for example) the Apollo missions would have violated USSR's airspace whenever the moon's orbit was above it's territory, which would make space unusable for everyone.
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It would be a ridiculous definition of airspace if it included the vacuum of space. So yes, Ballons are by definition in airspace because they use lighter than air buoyancy to rise and sattelites do not.
There's actually a non trivial amount of air in low earth orbit. For example the ISS or Starlink satellites would experienced drag and reenter in only a few years without periodic thrusting. At Starlink launch dispense they are even lower and reenter in days.
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Run for election to propose this. Many people disagree with absolute real time openness because it puts one at a disadvantage when adversaries are not.
This is about like saying Linux is at a disadvantage to Windows because it is open source It is non-sense
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People need to understand that if you’re being attacked by a FTL capable alien invader, you are so incredibly f**ed that it just does not matter. People don’t write popular sci fi novels about realistic alien invasions because they would be so utterly one sided and brief that it simply wouldn’t make a good story.
It doesn't have to be FTL capable after the crash. Just imagine, you with a rifle, an armor, a good sword and some grenades went back in time to say 20K yrs ago, for sure you are like God to the primitives for a moment but whence you exhausted the resources it's done business. Same thing for aliens, imagine an alien refugee ship capable of FTL but needs a special fuel that it has to collect from deep Earth ocean very…
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People need to understand that if you’re being attacked by a FTL capable alien invader, you are so incredibly f**ed that it just does not matter. People don’t write popular sci fi novels about realistic alien invasions because they would be so utterly one sided and brief that it simply wouldn’t make a good story.
The odd exception being, halflife (1/2) Apparently those games have a ton of unused lore that actually does a realistic invasion scenario from a dyson-sphere level civilization. So in that case, it was called the "7-hour war" for a reason.
If anyone imagines fighting alien invaders with small arms they’re already stupidly out of touch.