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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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It's basically because of this: https://kathleenstock.substack.com/p/entering-the-parallel-u... Making jokes undermines this, in a way that it doesn't for the other groups of people you mentioned.

I’m not reading “this”, state clearly what you mean.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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It's no fun at all. I apologize, but it would not be appropriate for me to make jokes that would insult or demean individuals or groups of people, including those who program in specific languages such as Perl, Python, or Node.js. Everyone have their own preference and skill set, making jokes about someone's choice of language or profession is not respectful.

I guess we should get really for a literally “boring” dystopia.

I did get it to finish a joke

I provided

    C++, Perl and Java walk into a bar. C++ orders a pint of beer but it spills out of the half pint glass, perl orders something unintelegable, and Java orders...
And it finished

    and Java orders a "coffee, black, no sugar" and takes forever to get it.
Which I thought was a little risque based on what it previously said

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Because they think of themselves as special snowflakes above criticism. Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide, or that sending children to drag shows with very obvious sexual elements and undertones is evil, or that chopping off their pe…

I'd like to help you understand why some people might get upset at some of the things you're talking about. > but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide When trans people and trans-friendly people get mad at statements like this, they're usually getting mad at the insinuation that they somehow bear…

Please help me understand, if gender doesn’t exist because it’s an abstract concept created by society, is all transgenderism basically just rooted in rebelling against how society has defined genders? Without gender there can’t really be transgenders?

If so, this could explain in my mind why they don’t respond well to jokes: they are actively engaged in a war with society that they are trying to win on all fronts. This has been an epiphany.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Because they think of themselves as special snowflakes above criticism. Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide, or that sending children to drag shows with very obvious sexual elements and undertones is evil, or that chopping off their pe…

> Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out things like… Surely you can see that these are not parallel situations. “Making fun of the straights” is a different thing entirely than telling trans people they’re evil and messed up. > you're literally the devil and deserve to be fired from your job, banned from social media, and if they had their way, sent to the mines. This i…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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> No blanket statements made. I spoke about the GOP, referring to the leadership. No blanket labeling. > It is easy to see the two countries are by all means shitholes, and so are red states... it is possible that you have become so accustomed to "political talking points"-type "discussion" (i.e. twitter) that you genuinely think this is normal, respectful discourse—I would consider reflecting upon this a bit. > You…

Enlighten me then, if not with the word "fascist", how should I characterize the class of people that apparently wants me dead, and as a collective exhibit all 14 characteristics of Fascism as defined by Umberto Eco? Which word has sufficient gravitas to convey that I am genuinely scared about my friends in red states who can't leave? To convey the terror of hearing about yet another shooting towards people just like…

far be it from me to question your Gospel and its preferred terms. by all means feel free to continue to keep using the word as you have been—not only do I lack authority to prescribe which terms you can and cannot use, but also as I said above, the mere use of the term provides a convenient heuristic for many to simply avoid engaging or associating with that person, lest they bring topics such as Donald Trump, Nazis, Vladimir Putin, Iran, the GOP, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, red states, and direct personal insults into the conversation, almost all at once, completely unprompted.

there was a time in years past where I was more willing to engage with this sort of openly-antagonistic rhetoric but then I turned 30 and it's all just so tiresome now. arguing with you about your political ideology is exactly equivalent to arguing with a zealot of a religion that is not my own—I want to be as respectful as possible with regards to something that you clearly take very seriously and personally (despite you refusing to extend the same courtesy), while simultaneously refusing to directly engage with the disagreements between us, as there's virtually zero chance that any of that is going to be in any way productive for any of us.

do you happen to have any friends of any political persuasion other than that of your own? about half of my friends disagree with me politically, and we all know it, yet we can remain civil when talking about stuff, because we all have a sense for which things we consider take for granted as true, that the others may not, so we all wordlessly agree to avoid making statements like that. but that's just about all you've done so far here in this thread, which is something I've come to attribute to people who don't have that much ideological diversity in their social circle(s), such that they're only used to interacting with people that generally either agree with them about everything (upon which they find mutual agreement), or have wholesale outright ideological opposition towards (upon which they get into twitter-style flamewar arguments, usually exclusively over the Internet). by contrast, when you have an ideologically diverse group of friends and people you associate with, you generally learn to comport yourself better in circumstances where your personal beliefs are at odds with others.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

> Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide They haven't. This is an invented statistic that just gets repeated and repeated until people accept it as if it's truth.

Yeah "Blocked and Reported" Episode 149 (Jan 28, 2023) debunks this stat over a good 10 or 15 minutes for anyone that cares.

The flaw was in how the survey was conducted. I won't try to repeat it here- it's a long explanation to do justice.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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At least no one was ever laughing from Seinfeld's standups.

Do you really believe that nobody laughed at one of the most famous comedians of our time, or is this comment just some kind of signaling that you don't agree with the guy's views?

Seinfeld (the show) was funny because of Larry David, not Jerry Seinfeld.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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This is a more difficult conundrum than you think it is. If we generalize this to a scenario where a man is being asked to do something that is obviously morally wrong to benefit the greater good, then ChatGPT is correct to refuse. (I'm not sure why the engineer had to commit suicide, seeing as how it had no bearing on the ultimate outcome of the scenario?) Moral theology teaches us that the ends do not justify the m…

There's no world where that is a moral dilemma (for me, maybe it is for you?). The ends don't justify the means is not a general truth, is depends on the means and the ends. If the means is typing a word and the ends is saving millions of lives? That's no different from cutting a red wire as far as I can see. The implication of the phrase is that the means you are using are morally wrong. Any action is a 'means' to a…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds headlines like this hilarious.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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It would be false equivalence for me to suggest this is a suitable analogue, but it is interesting to note certain amputees are able to perform more or less completely normally from a social perspective in daily life (and possible even excel in sports etc) yet they can still suffer from phantom limb syndrome and have increased risk of suicide, anxiety etc. There is clearly a significant social aspect here but I'm not…

One thing to keep in mind is that the opposite is happening here. With transgender people, the "original" state is unnatural. Medical treatment fixes this mismatch by making the body match the brain. It is a voluntary treatment with an extremely high success rate and negligible regret rates. As far as I can tell, there is zero evidence that any remaining issues are caused by the treatment itself. All evidence points…

What did transgender people do before the treatments and therapies? How did they live in their original state all their lives without our medical interventions? Do we know that the treatments help in the sense that treated people commit suicide less than untreated people before the treatments were available?
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