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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by shadowgovt »

panic wrote: post #562
commandlinefan wrote: post #232

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> it can be used against them, too Is it facial recognition that's the problem here, or the policy itself? In theory, they could hand out pictures of everybody who wasn't allowed in to the security staff and use low-tech facial recognition to enforce the same policy - assuming it was scalable, would it be OK then? I remember reading that IBM got into trouble when it first computerized its personnel files because some…

It's hard to imagine what role this type of mass facial recognition technology would have in a healthy society.

- pay-by-face

- identifying people legally banned from premises who are not self-identifying

-returning lost children with their parents by identifying last-known location of parent

The list goes on. The technology itself is not evil.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by s1artibartfast »

josephcsible wrote: post #520
s1artibartfast wrote: post #331

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I don't think I agree. You don't have right to be served alcohol within convenient walking distance.

Should your electric company be allowed to arbitrarily cut you off, just because other neighborhoods are served by different electric companies?

Probably not the electric company because they have a state granted monopoly position. However, if the only electrician in your town doesn't want to see you, I think that is within their rights. They aren't public servers and are a private business.

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Post by kotaKat »

panda88888 wrote: post #409
kiernanmcgowan wrote: post #358

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The required brand loyalty from Miller crazy - friends who have worked for them will pour non-miller beverages into glassware so that they can't be photographed holding a competitor's product. This is not in public mind you, but at someone else's apartment and not on company time. Not sure if Budweiser / AB does the same thing back but its a really backwards way to run a company culture.

Also something similar. A motorcycle (scooter) company in Taiwan only allows their own brand motorcycle into the company parking lot. So if you commute with a non-company scooter, good luck finding parking.

Company brand-only parking is typically a thing in the American automotive plants as well, and is also negotiated as part of the union package. Some people that work at the plant and don't want to drive company end up just buying a company beater to get a remotely decent parking spot instead of walk a mile or two through a sea of remote non-brand parking...

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by s1artibartfast »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #320
advisedwang wrote: post #92

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I'm saying there's a difference between blocking 10 people and 10,000, or 1 million. And I'm saying that technological change allows the latter, and we need to be cognizant of that when we decide what we're going to accept in society.

But I think the parents 4 questions are still an appropriate starting point for productive discussion. Are these rights that an individual or organization has? Technology is secondary. If your answer is yes to all 4 is yes, the answer to 5 is also yes. If your no or conditional to some of them, then you can discuss where the line should be drawn (e.g. numbers, characteristics, or technology allowed)

Curious why people react negative to this simple description of the debate. Anyone want to enlighten me?

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by MiddleEndian »

JackFr wrote: post #312
Zak wrote: post #183

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Venues should be required to refund tickets if a person is denied entry provided they weren't previously told they were banned from the venue.

The law firm were notified prior (2x) that employees would not be allowed entry to MSG. Having been so warned, she bought a ticket and tried to go. After having been warned and then being prevented from going in, her response is to sue them again.

If they have the tech to identify everyone individually they don't want going to their venue, then it's on them to notify everyone individually ahead of time. Otherwise, refund + expenses.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by dragonsky67 »

So security have received an alert on a person. They start rushing for that person. There would be a significant proportion of the population who would find that uncomfortable if not scary, who is to say how they will react. The person runs away, or does something that the guards think is threatening. The guard pulls a gun and shoots the person... All because they happened to be employed by a company that the venue has decided they don't like.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by LarryMullins »

saratogacx wrote: post #537
LarryMullins wrote: post #338

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> TSA PreCheck That system was created to avoid what you mention earlier, privileged people in society being inconvenienced and feeling motivated to speak out against these systems. Instead of subjecting the movers and shakers to the full brunt of the TSA, such people are allowed to opt out of the tyranny for a small (to them) fee.

You're overselling this a bit. TSA Precheck is $78 for 5 years. If you are able to afford to travel by air and do so more than a few times a decade, it isn't that cost prohibitive.

I've gotten plane tickets for less than $78. I think asking that much for what they're actually doing (checking your name against their terror watch list, then flipping a flag on your row in their database) is obscene. It should be free.

It's not free, because if it were free then everybody would apply for the lineskip privilege and it would cease to be a lineskip privilege because now everybody is in that line. So, like amusement parks selling lineskip passes, they price it high enough to discourage most people from buying it.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by Spooky23 »

ryandrake wrote: post #536
_carbyau_ wrote: post #497

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Then one day you fart on an airplane and are no longer able to fly due to being a "troublemaker" that people wouldn't want to sit next to. A community of people aren't built around absolutism. They are built around give and take. You can't have your best day, every day.

I didn't say anything about farting. I don't want to board an airplane with someone who has a history of assaulting people. If airlines could build an accurate list, I would have no problem with them sharing the list and effectively banning those people from flying. The "accurate" part I admit is the hard part to get right. As another replier suggested, maybe base it on public arrest records or something. But assumin…

I don’t like sharing air with people who seek limit civil liberties of their fellow humans. So I would add you to the no fly list, and see no irony.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by LarryMullins »

kps wrote: post #494
LarryMullins wrote: post #430

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> You can not summary ban every employee of a large company that's doing something you don't like. Which laws forbid this?

I am not a lawyer, but the article contains the assertion that state liquor licensing law forbids it.

You're right, I was thinking generally, but the comment I responded to specifies "Which was not the case here."

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by MiddleEndian »

jmbwell wrote: post #101
ipaddr wrote: post #73

Facial recognition by private entities used to police a public venue should be restricted or outlawed

Agreed, but what should we do when the "public venue" is owned and controlled by a private entity? The more we privatize, the more we allow to converge in the private hands of the wealthy few, the less recourse the "public" has.

I'm not a lawyer, but there is a legal concept of businesses that are "open to the public" even if they are a privately owned.
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