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Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Those being laid off for cause are the 3 senior level executives (the old CEO, the lead counsel, and the content policy head). Those 3 had a 100+ million cumulative severance package which they are now no longer eligible to receive, although none of them are strapped for cash.

Matt Levine has a good explanation ( https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-10-31/elon-m... ), which is that they receive a golden parachute for a simple reason. Their self-interest was to say "la-la-la, we can't hear you" when Musk comes trying to buy Twitter. That would've given them a chance to maintain high paid positions for years. Instead, they sold to him, knowing they'd probably be given the boot. No…

That Matt Levine article in archive.ph: https://archive.ph/JrNdE

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Usually salespeoples' pay is highly incentivized: I doubt the base salary of those salespeople is $300k. Those $300k people are probably bringing in millions of dollars of revenue apiece. Firing them will reduce operating expenses some, but drastically reduce income as well, unless they're replaced with something else.

Sales managers will just hand the accounts to new executives. It's not as if the business walks away because their AE isn't there anymore. They're spending money on twitter for the benefits it brings them, not to do favors for their favorite executive.

> It's not as if the business walks away because their AE isn't there anymore.

I mean, not all of the business -- but businesses can and will sever contracts because they lose their favorite point-of-contact.

> They're spending money on twitter for the benefits it brings them

What if those benefits are already pretty slim, and they've been thinking of dropping Twitter entirely, but for the efforts of their Twitter AE?

I don't understand this mindset that all salespeople are fungible drones.

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This is not the first time a twitter employee has implied a light work schedule. There were posts when the first Elon buyout rumor came around about twitter employee reporting remote work amounting to around 30 hours a week.. This just adds fuel to the fire that for the most part Twitter has a bunch of part time employee getting very high full time wages. Now there is a large segment of the population that believe 32…

> 1 hour of real work, couple hours of meetings showing your biases a little too much there, aren't you?

Nope. My biases are clear and well known, I dislike everything about Silicon valley and the culture of Silicon Valley.

If I could make one plea to Elon, it would be to move Twitter out of Silicon Valley as fast as possible

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Fwiw all states are at-will, though there are varying exceptions from state to state.

Yeah I know broadly they all are, but some states offer slightly more protection. On a side note, what happens to health insurance for employees who're let go? Does it end the time of your last day or midnight? I was too afraid to Google it as I likely knew it's be pretty cut throat, but have always stressed about it regardless.

Generally the end of the month that you were terminated in, unless you pay the same company to keep the same plan via COBRA. It's the same plan, you're just paying what you paid for it before plus whatever the company was paying for your share, which is generally much higher.

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The alternative is to take a measured approach to learning about the business and org, in order to make informed decisions about how to restructure efficiently. But of course that takes time and effort. For somebody impetuous and self-indulgent, it's much more satisfying to go in swinging a machete on day one.

So is you issue not that he's laying off all these people, but just the speed that he's doing this? Or to put it another way, let's say that he took a year and really studied Twitter and then came to the same conclusion and did the same layoffs, would you have an issue with it then?

If Elon or anyone else actually has strong reason to believe that certain employees are dead weight I'm fine with them being laid off. Given the speed and general dysfunction of this particular case there's basically no chance that's what is going on here.

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Stories like this make like the employee protection I enjoy even more.

TANSTAAFL. (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.) The downside of employee protections is that it makes companies more reluctant to hire. And also once hired, the salary to be offered is reduced to cover the estimated current value of the future employee protections. These are real downsides, particularly for young people who are trying to get a foot into the corporate ladder. I have even personally witnessed a…

If increased employee protection causes you to layoff almost everyone in a country -- you probably had little good business reason to be in that country.

Employee protection exists because there's a huge power imbalance. A company who can constantly just say, "we'll fire you if this doesn't get done" and colludes with other companies on such matters makes it very difficult for workers. This is why employee protection, unions, etc... exist.

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Those being laid off for cause are the 3 senior level executives (the old CEO, the lead counsel, and the content policy head). Those 3 had a 100+ million cumulative severance package which they are now no longer eligible to receive, although none of them are strapped for cash.

> they are now no longer eligible to receive Musk doesn't meet the cause outlined in their employment contracts. They'll get their executive early termination severance but it'll require some legal action first.

What cause is outlined in their employment contracts?

Do they even have employment contracts?

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From WP: "Layoffs are expected to begin ahead of Nov. 1, when Twitter employees are slated to receive additional compensation related to stock grants." I think this might be the confusing part, because he's trying to claw back as much compensation as possible, maybe he's trying to avoid paying severance as well

What you're saying does not make any sense relative to the question asked.

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The pitfalls of extreme comfort. You have a place like the Bay Area with near perfect weather, obscene amounts of money, and at least until relatively recently, a social environment that lorded you as a "rockstar." You look at your bank account and think "yeah, I AM a Rockstar! I DO deserve this! Everybody wants to be ME!" Rinse and repeat that general attitude for ten years or so and blammo (which is even more explo…

Maybe throw in a landmark forum, after you failed your first startup. I've actually seen people walk past hundreds of homeless people in the mission as if they don't exist, only to sit down in a flat in the middle of them to tell your tech buddy (me) that they're changing the world with the next photo sharing app. I had a little dystopia vibe, but then again I grew up in Europe so what do I know.

>a landmark forum

Oh Lordy…I had a boss send me to a “management seminar that he found exceptional” that turned out to be that train wreck around 20 years ago. I think I lasted maybe an hour before I got up and left in the middle of the session with the speaker yelling at me to sit down (and some rude asshole trying to block me from leaving…unsuccessfully).

I called my boss and told him I left, that I didn’t care if he got a refund, and to fire me if he wanted (he didn’t).

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Those being laid off for cause are the 3 senior level executives (the old CEO, the lead counsel, and the content policy head). Those 3 had a 100+ million cumulative severance package which they are now no longer eligible to receive, although none of them are strapped for cash.

> although none of them are strapped for cash Does this mean that they have or deserve different rights under contract law than others do? What if their counterparty is even less "strapped for cash"?

It’s not an excuse to treat people poorly, but I certainly have less empathy for someone who has $5M in vested stock who gets fired vs someone who makes $15/hour and lives paycheck to paycheck.

Both are injustices. The former isn’t much of a risk to life. The latter could literally result in life or death situations.

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