Kanye West is buying Parler

Post by barbariangrunge » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 6:25 PM UTC

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There's a really concerning trend on HN and elsewhere I'm seeing. Everyone now seems to think free speech is too dangerous to try and promote anymore. It's been a shift over a couple years. I'm not supporting Ye or any of his bullshit, but some of the comments on here are really chillingly authoritarian. Parler isn't going to be able to maintain "free speech" even if they or Kanye want it to, which I seriously doubt…

The idea that it's important to have a mainstream and consequence-free venue for all forms of speech may be your belief but it is not mine. My belief is that public forums with reach into the tens or hundreds of millions are fertile ground for nationalist and genocidal movements, and they will be used for that purpose if it is not actively prevented . Moderation of wide-reach public forums with the goal of preventing…

Post by mikkergp » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 6:25 PM UTC

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> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does wiggle its eyebrows meaningfully in causation's direction.

I believe that there is a time, a place, and a proper amount of just about everything, including toxicity. People who wish to interact with 4Chan and its culture need to understand what it really is. The anonymity affords unfiltered reaction and you should never expect your posts to be treated with the kind of social norms that non-anonymous and pseudo-anonymous platforms provide. While the default experience is to h…

Post by diceduckmonk » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 6:26 PM UTC

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There's even a word for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_art Just learned about this at the Mori Art Museum, since your username is dudeinjapan.

Funny thing I just learned the same a few days ago, but I think through a click-chain beginning on HN. Been awhile since I was last at Mori Art Museum, they have some good stuff. Many years ago I used to volunteer there giving tours for learning disabled young adults. Recommend to check out the Museum of Contemporary Art Tokyo (MOT), they have some killer exhibits, I've been to nearly every one the last few years.

Post by sangnoir » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 6:27 PM UTC

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> There was a time period when the left was for free speech and the right was wanting to constrain it. When was this - and can you give examples of left and right acting the way you described in the past?

There are a lot of examples of this and the left has had some truly great advocates for free speech. In terms of time period, the Red Scare and Mccarthyism was a time when the left was being heavily censored by the right. The Civil Rights movements as well with MLK during the 1960s and then Frank Kameny in the 1970s trying to get rights for gays. Other leftist advocates for free speech include Obama, Elenor Roosevelt…

Post by mikkergp » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 6:28 PM UTC

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Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? > The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Sounds like a hint to me. There are more free speech sites, e.g. saidit.net. I would wholeheartedly recommend staying away from it: it's a cesspool, like the other reddit wannabes. Voat also comes to mind. Freedom of speech on such sites…

> Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? This is exactly the right question to ask. I'm convinced that it's not possible to have constructive "free speech" social media platform. There's always the need for moderation.