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Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by nathanaldensr »

matus_congrady wrote: post #303
driverdan wrote: post #134

We're a large Heroku user currently spending $10-20k/month. This change may lead us to switching to another platform. We host a lot of individual apps, many that only need free tier DBs and Redis. This change will roughly double the cost of a basic app on pro dynos + DB + redis, from $25/m to $49/m, with no additional benefit. Heroku is already very expensive. $25/m for 512MB RAM is laughable. At $49/m we could get a…

If you'd like something that gives you way more control and flexibility, yet is similarly easy to use, try https://stacktape.com Also, the Stacktape pricing works way better for companies spending $10-20k/month on infrastructure. With Stacktape, you pay a single monthly fee for the "deployment simplicity" (+AWS fees, which are in general way below PaaS providers). You're not paying the "deployment simplicity fee" for…

FWIW, you don't mean "disclaimer," as that means you are disclaiming something. You likely mean "full disclosure."

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by nathanaldensr »

karmelapple wrote: post #392
countspongebob wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are not shutting it down. As I said in the blog, our priority is making sure that Heroku choice is a good business decision for critical apps of all sizes. This does have tradeoffs, but getting the rug pulled out is not one of them - the opposite.

Nice to hear from you! We spend multiple tens of thousands of dollars every year and are on Heroku Enterprise, and have been on the platform for 10 years. We could cut our price by about 50% moving to a competitor. We suspect AWS RDS will work very similarly to Heroku Postgres, and I have been unable to get much clarity from the teams at Heroku on precisely what Heroku Postgres is doing for me that AWS RDS would not…

Sadly, two days later...

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by nathanaldensr »

shostack wrote: post #237
joshstrange wrote: post #205

IF we want to take them at face-value that this is because of fraud and abuse (a trust/respect they have not earned IMHO, or rather they lost many years ago) then this a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Otherwise it's some stupid MBA finding a way to save some money which will ultimately only speed up Heroku's demise. Either way the writing is on the wall. The Heroku that delighted us all is long dea…

I don't understand this sentiment sometimes. There may be fraud and abuse. There may also be a material cost to a company whose detailed financial situation I'm assuming you are not purvey to. Someone doesn't need to be "a stupid MBA" to have made this decision (in fact my guess would be it involved many cross functional and leadership perspectives given its nature). Also, this is quite possibly something necessary f…

I think you mean "privy to."

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by agalvilaku »

I am using Heroku dynos for personal use almost for 10 years to track my expenses and my monthly usage is less than 3%. By introducing the pricing model, I can no longer enjoy and thankful for them until now. Instead of wiping out all the accounts, they could have put some threshold.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by nullityrofl »

vagabund wrote: post #79
craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

It's worth mentioning there's a very vibrant piracy community that abuses heroku's free tier for torrent to direct-download bots and myriad other purposes. Thousands and thousands of fake accounts using the resources to their limits 24/7. It's likely also the reason Google's moved away from unlimited storage for educational institutions. I can understand why Salesforce has felt the need to restrict access.

It's also one of the single most abused platforms for malware command control hosting. I've spent the better part of a decade chasing down state based actors and crimeware actors who have abused Heroku's free tier. Heroku's abuse efforts cannot be cheap.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by magundu »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #520
vagabund wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth mentioning there's a very vibrant piracy community that abuses heroku's free tier for torrent to direct-download bots and myriad other purposes. Thousands and thousands of fake accounts using the resources to their limits 24/7. It's likely also the reason Google's moved away from unlimited storage for educational institutions. I can understand why Salesforce has felt the need to restrict access.

Couldn't they simply charge $1 a month and see how much of these meddlesome accounts get shut down? I bet it would be over 95% along with limited disk space.

It might cause existing customers lower their plan to $1.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by jclem »

ndneighbor wrote: post #426
csjh wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Render has pretty good free tier benefits, but no git push render master

Disclaimer: I work at Railway.app as a Support Engineer You might be interested in Railway's CLI deployments: `railway up` from your project root gets ya going. https://docs.railway.app/deploy/railway-up

Disclaimer: I like Railway.

Heroku VMs had the kitchen sink, and I miss that with Railway. A pretty standard Phoenix app with Phoenix’s built-in auth doesn’t build and the user is presented with build errors about nixpacks. Now there’s a good deal I have to learn just to get bcrypt to build.

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