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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by AlexandrB »

cudgy wrote: post #194
thepangolino wrote: post #49

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>data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem Very much this. As a European who doesn't intent to set a single foot in China, I'm much more comfortable at the thought of China having my data than my own government.

What if your government gets the data anyway? Hackers could hack TikTok servers and release data or sell to interested parties. Your government may already be tracking your TikTok usage by sniffing traffic on intermediate servers or other measures. Or China may even sell or share this information (or worse, manipulated false information) for strategic purposes.

All good points that equally apply to Meta/Google/etc. why does TikTok deserve special treatment here other than economic protectionism?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by [deleted] »

diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #372
throw0101a wrote: post #340

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>> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player > Are you sure? Would you rather have someone else / some other country (other than the US) be the hegemon? If so, who? And are they willing to do it?

Perhaps it would be better if nobody was the hegemon eh?

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by dylan604 »

cruano wrote: post #557
tablespoon wrote: post #474

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> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

> The differentiator here is national security Because no one can hack Facebook and get that data anyway? hell, maybe they don't even need to

Cambridge Analytica showed you don't need to hack. You just need to be a developer and have keys to the kingdom with a "gentleman's agreement" that you won't do anything hinky with the access you've been granted.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by spamizbad »

Tiktok is an app that, in my opinion, is only popular because SV lost interest in building social media apps for young people after Snapchat. Facebook made a (successful) play for older users but lost the youth. That's fine in the short term: Those older users have more spending power and your advertisers will appreciate that. But it does mean competitors can eat you from the "bottom up" and make you look like a Dinosaur.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by classified »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Closing the barn door after the horses have bolted is too little too late. Everyone has these capabilities now. And the FCC is not neutral, of course it makes a difference to them whether domestic agencies get their hands on the data or foreign ones.

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Post by neon_electro »

8organicbits wrote: post #424
Schroedingersat wrote: post #350

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For messaging, Matrix has solved almost all of the problems you're claiming are insurmountable. Key management can be assisted with m out of n type secret sharing, or we just treat people like responsible adults, and if they lose their keys, then tough, those messages are gone now. For loopholes, the solution is to just not believe the bullshit. Have a very high standard of evidence required and/or require fully info…

Not insurmountable, just very expensive. You're describing a worse user experience too. Matrix probably isn't a good example. That's an impressive project with great developers. Most companies don't have equivalent staff, nor the budget to hire. > publicly sharing all code that touches it That's a huge request.

Is profiting from my data not a huge reward for such an effort?

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Post by pier25 »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #409
RektBoy wrote: post #203

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> EUropean here. This is like the pot calling the kettle black. Europe raped the rest of the world for nearly 500 years: the British Raj, the Belgian Congo, the Opium wars, the race for Africa, Apartheid are but a few examples. Europe created modern chatel slavery. Europe started the WWI and WWII. Europe birthed Nazism and Communism. Many of the problems we currently face are the result of European meddling: from the…

The world was very different back then.

If the US had been a super power in the 17th or 18th century you can be certain they would have colonized other countries as well.

Regarding WWI and WWII, Europe has never had the homogeneous culture of big states like the US. Again, wars have been the norm for most of humanity. The current peaceful era is really an anomaly.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by mnw21cam »

zmgsabst wrote: post #358
layer8 wrote: post #337

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“The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.”

Reciprocity is so fundamental to nature that people can’t stop doing it: Most of the studies about “people are irrational” are times psychologists fail to realize that people are acting on an iterated (rather than single round) game — and enforcing reciprocity through their “irrational” acts. We know at an instinctive level that reciprocity is necessary in game theory — eg, Iterated Prisoner’s Dilemma.

There are situations where it is entirely rational and advantageous to make people think you are irrational.

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Post by TehCorwiz »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #544
thiagoharry wrote: post #518

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> The differentiator here is national security, Which means that all countries other than the US also should be banning Facebook, and most US companies. As Snowden showed, most of them have a history of wire fraud.

China did ban Facebook, as did Russia and North Korea. Countries where Facebook is not banned are largely allies of the US.

Don't forget that The EU is currently considering banning Facebook if changes to privacy and data security aren't made.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/ban-on-facebo...

https://news.yahoo.com/facebook-instagram-face-europe-ban-16...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by dylan604 »

At the risk of sounding like one of those crazy internet kooks, social media has been the greast psyops experiment known to man. The CIA has tried manipulating the populations of foreign nations since its creation, but could never have dreamed of something as effective as social media. Only problem for US folks, it has been much more effective against US citizens. It's so effective, the masses think you're a nutter for even mentioning it. The people are being played with emotionally like toys at the whim of anyone that wants to play.
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