I'm confused, what platform does Apple ban other browsers on?
iOS, where Apple only allows WebKit-based browsers, so basically Safari.
As a lifelong android user I had no idea! Eek.
Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
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Re: Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security
#572iOS is a closed platform owned by Apple so I think they can do whatever they want in their platform, including ban other browsers for whatever reason they want to.
And this is not different from Google creeping their services in other browsers, Microsoft imposing limits on Windows or any other company doing whatever they want with their products.
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But why, because the phone connects to your instagram account? Meanwhile, most people's computers have passwords to literally all their accounts saved in the various system or web browser autofillers. They might also have personal documents such as tax information saved locally. Maybe even their social security number and other very important information written down in a word document on their desktop. Especially if…
Consider that most internet-connected people only have a phone, and many that own a "real computer" use it primarily for work. The phone has their banking info, health info, personal communications, professional communications, most of their browsing history. A huge number of people manage their taxes on their phones. I think Apple's claim that in aggregate they are more important than laptops/desktops is largely acc…
If their iphone has that, by virtue of icloud sync, their macbook if they have one has that same sensitive info as well. So is apple saying then, if you want to be the most secure, don't buy our macbook and don't sync it up with your iphone?
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Apple makes 100% of the OS options available to iDevices, and 100% of all devices that run iOS. They also control 100% of the OSes that run iOS applications, and allow iOS purchases to be redeemed. That sounds a lot like a monopoly to me.
Yeah, if you've chosen a contrived and extremely narrowly defined market as the one you base whether something is a monopoly, of course it's going to sound like a monopoly.
Your response fails to meaningfully address any of the points in the post it is responding to
you could have saved time and just said "I disagree but refuse to explain my disagreement"
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Why are you so certain that Apple will have to kill Safari if Chrome and other browsers are allowed on iOS?
Because Chrome will instantly start to out compete it. And once Safari is pushed down below 25% share on iOS then sites will feel more and more free to avoid testing on Safari and push users towards just using Chrome. Not having two different engines to have to test against means that even more the web becomes something that works on Chromium by default and is totally broken on Gecko. That makes FF even worse, and Go…
How much cash does Apple have?
How much would it cost for them to fund firefox development to make it a stronger competitor?
Okay, Apple: do that. Also open up the walled gardens. You can make it a setting if you want to keep the beginner computer users safe.
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It is doubtful whether there's any point in me replying as little of what you've said has anything to do with anything I said. It appears you read my post and entirely misunderstood it. I will nonetheless offer a response to what you have written. Your first misunderstanding is this assumption that competition and user choice hinges on the axis of "browsers and app stores". This isn't an objective fact, it's an opini…
> . I haven't seen how any of these EU laws get around the reality of Apple's ownership of its own intellectual property. I can't imagine how the EU could force Apple to supply its intellectual property to app developers under different terms It is pretty simple. Companies that want to operate in the EU have to follow certain laws, or pay a huge fine. Technically speaking, these are requirements to operate in the mar…
Your lack of response to any of the substantive points is noted. But you are right, we’re all going to see. It will be interesting to see how it does play out. Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall, but I’d wager that it won’t be nearly as simplistic as you’re imagining. Especially since your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
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> . I haven't seen how any of these EU laws get around the reality of Apple's ownership of its own intellectual property. I can't imagine how the EU could force Apple to supply its intellectual property to app developers under different terms It is pretty simple. Companies that want to operate in the EU have to follow certain laws, or pay a huge fine. Technically speaking, these are requirements to operate in the mar…
Your lack of response to any of the substantive points is noted. But you are right, we’re all going to see. It will be interesting to see how it does play out. Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall, but I’d wager that it won’t be nearly as simplistic as you’re imagining. Especially since your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
> Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall
We pretty much do know how things will work out, actually. That's why people made these laws.
The laws were made to force Apple, and similar, to open up their app stores.
And if Apple doesn't follow the law, then they will be fined billions of dollars. Because that's why they made these laws in the first place.
You saying that people don't know, is cope on your part, because you can't handled that Apple lost, and cannot win against governments.
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Your lack of response to any of the substantive points is noted. But you are right, we’re all going to see. It will be interesting to see how it does play out. Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall, but I’d wager that it won’t be nearly as simplistic as you’re imagining. Especially since your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
> Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall We pretty much do know how things will work out, actually. That's why people made these laws. The laws were made to force Apple, and similar, to open up their app stores. And if Apple doesn't follow the law, then they will be fined billions of dollars. Because that's why they made these laws in the first place. You saying that people don't know, is cope on your part, be…
Cope? Seriously? I’m trying to have a considered conversation, I’m not interested in engaging you in an irrelevant battle of Twitter-derived smack talk.
I’ll say again, your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
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> Nobody knows for sure how the chips will fall We pretty much do know how things will work out, actually. That's why people made these laws. The laws were made to force Apple, and similar, to open up their app stores. And if Apple doesn't follow the law, then they will be fined billions of dollars. Because that's why they made these laws in the first place. You saying that people don't know, is cope on your part, be…
Cope? Seriously? I’m trying to have a considered conversation, I’m not interested in engaging you in an irrelevant battle of Twitter-derived smack talk. I’ll say again, your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
Yes basically it is cope. Law makers created these laws, specifically for the purpose of opening up these app stores, among other things. And then you are saying that actually the law won't do what it is directly intending on doing.
The point of all of these laws are to open up these app stores. That is the direct goal. And clever attempts to get around them, will result in billions of dollars in fines to Apple.
I am happy to come back to your posts, months later when the laws are in effect, and make fun of you for being wrong on that though.
Really, I am more of a "I told you so" kind of person, though.
Because when I come back, and say "I told you so", you won't be able to make any cope/reaching/bad counterarguments. You'll know, definitively, that you were wrong, and you won't be able to hide from that.
These are falsifiable claims about how things will turn out. And since they are falsifiable, I can make fun of someone, when the statements are falsified, and the laws are in effect.
And there will be no hiding from how bad your predictions were, when I can show it to your face, when it happens.
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Cope? Seriously? I’m trying to have a considered conversation, I’m not interested in engaging you in an irrelevant battle of Twitter-derived smack talk. I’ll say again, your version of future events doesn’t even align with mainstream analysis of the DMA.
Yes basically it is cope. Law makers created these laws, specifically for the purpose of opening up these app stores, among other things. And then you are saying that actually the law won't do what it is directly intending on doing. The point of all of these laws are to open up these app stores. That is the direct goal. And clever attempts to get around them, will result in billions of dollars in fines to Apple. I am…
When someone writes a law saying that Apple is required to give their intellectual property away for free and forcefully open the floodgates of third party app stores, and this law passes, and this law survives challenge in the relevant court, then you'll be entitled to be that "I told you so" kind of person.
Happy to wait.
In the meantime it seems you're operating under a misapprehension that any of that has occurred when in fact none of that has. Even the most optimistic reading of DMA doesn't support your fan fiction.