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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Youch does nobody else go haywire that Fn and Ctrl keys are in the 'wrong' spots?

That is the correct one. FN first, ctrl next. See DEC, and IBM.

Personally, I like it as it is, but I can understand someone preferring the control key in the bottom left (though I would suggest using Caps as Control, in which case having Fn on the easier to reach spot and therefore first would still make more sense)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

Short aside: any tips for becoming a trackpoint user?

I find it much more comfortable than the trackpad, but my curosr always seems so slow when it's not going way too fast. Is there special software tweaking I need?

EDIT: I forgot to mention I'm on Linux

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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> Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux. And the X1 Fold is a technical marvel (working on Linux support right now, if I'm successful it may become my next toy device to try to use Linux on as a daily driver) > Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just…

I'm curious what your use of PrtSc is that is that important to you. I don't think I've pressed that key since the 1990s. Am I missing out?

It's a key that's very useful on Windows for screenshotting.

Personally, I use it for various color inversion profiles (ex OLED: make all the dark greys pitch black, night time: black and red) + for ShareX.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I would challenge you to find a 2022 Dell or HP with a trackpoint.

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-elitebook-840-g8-notebo... Just got a new one from work. It's literally in front of me right now. Granted the laptop's build quality is questionable (the right hinge's case bulges higher than the left) and the trackpoint has a tendency to get stuck to one direction.

Had a similar one and the trackpoint was a pain for 2 reasons. The shape was inverted, so you always touched a raised edge rather than surface. And the cap started coming off after a few months of use. Not a fan of HP's solution.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Does suspend work reliably? Is battery life ok? Does the trackpad suck? I’m tempted but every time I’ve tried so far to leave Mac hardware I regret it - seems even harder now with M1 performance. Still, the framework laptop is super cool. Might be worth trying anyway.

I still haven't been able to get suspend to work on my high-spec last-gen Framework, despite following all the troubleshooting and disjointed recommendations in the forum because the company won't just publish fixes for common problems directly. Suspend will sap 30% of my energy by morning, even in "deep" sleep, and the computer won't wake properly. The trackpad will work intermittently or really fast after sleeping.…

> Suspend will sap 30% of my energy by morning, even in "deep" sleep, and the computer won't wake properly

That's just unacceptable: without wake timers (so outside "connected standby"), S0ix on a Intel 11th or 12th gen should use at most 0.7% of the battery per hour, so 7% over 10h (assuming you like long nights!). A well configured system should aim for about half as much, so between 3 and 4% over 10h.

You are getting about 5x worse power consumption during sleep than a normal modern system, and 10x worse than a well configured system.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I taught myself just last year to use the trackpoint because I was curious. I turned it off at the BIOS, etc. just to make me use it exclusively. Once I got over the hump, I was surprised. I don't want keyboards anymore without it. I developed a strong muscle memory for it over the year. I'm a grouchy quirky old man, but when it comes to trackpoints, I am new to this quirk :D

Having had a trackpoint laptop since the 90's, the only thing that I found I could switch to when moving to a job that gave all engineers Mac's was the MBP track pad - the gestures and precision/feel just about made up for the loss of not having to move hands from the home row. But yeah, sad that more laptops don't have trackpoints.

Wow I just realized I had been using trackpoints completely wrong - as in using it like I would use a trackpad, by taking my hand off of the home row. Very neat!

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I still haven't been able to get suspend to work on my high-spec last-gen Framework, despite following all the troubleshooting and disjointed recommendations in the forum because the company won't just publish fixes for common problems directly. Suspend will sap 30% of my energy by morning, even in "deep" sleep, and the computer won't wake properly. The trackpad will work intermittently or really fast after sleeping.…

Thanks for the heads up - this is exactly the kind of thing I would be annoyed about if I bought it and why I abandoned laptop linux after college. Maybe one day, but unlikely soon as apple just accelerates their lead. I’m happy others are buying it though and funding them - I hope they get there.

One day? I have heard the same thing for almost 20 years.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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A gentle reminder that every retina MacBook has been shipping with fractional scaling as default for years now (and it's not even 1.5). Sure, you can put it back into 2x if you want to. But you can do the same on a Framework, and then you get... wait for it... almost the same vertical resolution as a 2x 13" MB Pro (93% to be exact). If you absolutely need more space and a 2x scaling, there is a large amount of 4K 13"…

> every retina MacBook has been shipping with fractional scaling as default for years now I have a MacBook and I don't see the kind of display artifacts that I mentioned (grid lines set to same pixel width appearing to have different widths) on a MacBook. Why is that? I have also tried the same test on nearly every Windows laptop at BestBuy, and every Windows laptop that does not have scaling set to either 100% or 20…

I definitely see it on macOS. Set your display scaling to a fractional amount, then drag a window around slowly. You should see the border lines subtly get fuzzier/sharper/change width.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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It also doesn't have a touchbar and has an excessive amount of ports!

Framework laptop actual has fewer ports than MBPs (although they're configurable which is neat, with the caveat that some like expansion ports HDMI are a big drain on battery life, even when inactive)

The HDMI drain surprised me, so I looked up more information, and you seem to be correct:

https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/tekihq/expansion...

https://community.frame.work/t/battery-life/861/24

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Laptops are uniquely challenging in that each additional country has its own keyboard language, increasing the number of SKUs we need to manage and hold inventory for. This is beyond the normal challenges of entering new markets. We enumerated this in a blog post here: https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure We are continuing to build the infrastructure and keyboards to expand into more countries though!

Just make the US keyboard version available everywhere and worry about local keyboards later, when people ask for them. Your audience is probably 90% devs and sysadmins, who most definitely can at least handle en_us.

Shipping a US keyboard in Europe seems like an odd choice since most European keyboard layouts are ISO, not ANSI. I could see a blank keyboard working, or an ISO US keyboard maybe, but that is an uncommon layout that I don't think I've ever actually seen before?
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