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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The avg. American reads at a middle school level. Many read at an elementary school level, meaning ~1/4 of America will take this video as fact. Couple this with an algorithm that will only feed you things you like and you have a recipe for disaster. 100% unrestricted freedom of speech only works with a highly educated populate which America does not have.

Educated people are more easy to brainwash actually. They’ll believe anything the establishment tells them because they spend more time in school following directions and going “by the book” - they excel at this. Less educated people need to learn to trust their instincts, and be skeptical at all times. Politics is about really simple stuff because you can’t over complicate at such a high level of abstraction. I thin…

You speak with such authority on these matters. You clearly must have sources and relevant studies to back your claims. Especially given the subject matter; it’d be quite ironic otherwise. So please do share your sources…

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Making up a story about someone doesn't make it a story worth reporting until they disprove it, there should actually be some substance as table stakes. > In the grand scheme of things is looks like a pretty routine case of potential corruption, but that being associated with the president's son like a big deal If you're making the claim that simply being on a board of directors or part of a venture firm because of w…

He's being subjected to a federal criminal investigation. There is a bit more there than "simply being on a board". It is a big story and deserves public investigation to find out what was going on. The world is currently teetering on the edge of a Russia-Ukraine * war spiralling in to a US-Russia war. It is materially interesting what business connections the US president has with (famous for being corrupt I might a…

> He's being subjected to a federal criminal investigation. There is a bit more there than "simply being on a board". It is a big story and deserves public investigation to find out what was going on.

It came out in December that his taxes were being investigated and it was widely reported. Easy to see from the wikipedia article where there are multiple citations from major news outlets.

> It is materially interesting what business connections the US president has with (famous for being corrupt I might add) Ukraine.

What is interesting? You're playing connect the dots and taking possible tax issues from business in China and connecting it to made up stories about Burisma and saying "now prove me wrong". Again, the impetus is on the person making the argument to make an actual concrete claim. The Senate republicans already have you covered on the Ukraine part, of course (nothing).

> otherwise the decisions don't make a lot of sense

Henry Kissinger got a bunch of people to heavily invest in Theranos. You're going to need more substance than "why do rich white people keep failing upwards?" for a story here.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The extent of the "censorship" is getting ridiculous. It is an overreach of the platforms.

I disagree, if you don’t like it you can move to another platform. No one is forcing you to use it. For that matter “The Hill” can create their own. Always silly, the entitlement to someone else platform based on some misunderstanding of censorship and the 1st amendment.

Agreed, I just want to sue them to oblivion for the user generated content they host :))

Nothing to do with youtube’s first amendment right, only Section 230 privileges

Lets strip them down to shreds in the public square for not censoring fast enough! Woohoo

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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I’ll take the downvotes or whatever argumentation incoming but this is obviously (to me) Google being bad at technology and intentionally opaque about it, and just as mealy mouthed about the subject matter as always because they don’t give a fuck.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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And that’s fine. Not everybody can or has to be heard by everybody else. There no such as a thing as an expectation to be heard by others. That becomes more problematic and debatable once infrastructure companies such as a DNS provider or a hosting company refuses to deal with some content given that you remove the ability to create your own soapbox.

Just to note, the US legal definition of free speech, at least according to the courts, includes the expectation to be heard by others. There is actually such a thing as a right to an audience; free speech is not fulfilled if someone is excluded from any space where someone may hear them.

But that doesn't mean, for example, that I'm allowed to force myself on your house and shout at you because I have a right to you being my audience. You're not entitled to Youtube hosting your content, just as you're not entitled to NYT hosting your opinion, just as I'm not entitled to have my words on your private blog.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Every single day on HN, people mix up giving someone a platform to censoring someone. Social platforms are megaphones. Up until a decade ago, it was impossible for nearly everyone to reach out a large audience, especially worldwide. Nowadays, anyone can make a video accessible by billions of people with a single click. If people banned from that is "censorship", then by that definition the whole world was censored 2…

> then by that definition the whole world was censored 2 decades ago. Nope, you are misunderstanding something here. Removing what was considered "given" is what becomes perceived as censorship.

> perceived as censorship

keyword here being _perceived_

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Every single day on HN, people mix up giving someone a platform to censoring someone. Social platforms are megaphones. Up until a decade ago, it was impossible for nearly everyone to reach out a large audience, especially worldwide. Nowadays, anyone can make a video accessible by billions of people with a single click. If people banned from that is "censorship", then by that definition the whole world was censored 2…

It doesn't really matter that much if you want to use the word "banned" in preference to "censored"; the facts of the matter is that the entire right wing's viewpoint is under threat on these channels to the point where people have been decamping and moving on to other platforms in large numbers. There have been quite a few notable social media plays (thinking Gab, Parler & Truth Social) that may as well have started…

And that's perfectly fine. If anything, that's proof that there is no censorship, the fact that they can go and make their own platform. Also, the fact that you're not allowed to say anything bad about Trump on those platforms without getting banned.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The restaurant isn't forced to make good food. But in this analogy isn't it more like the restaurant being forced to put up a poster of your bad review? The overall point being made is, why should a private entity be forced to do something they don't want to do?

No one is forcing Youtube to do anything, all we're doing is criticizing Youtube for its policies which we believe make Youtube a worse product than it would otherwise be. Criticizing a video game, or a movie, or a restaurant or a streaming service does not imply the use of force to do anything nor does it imply having to get the government involved. It just means we think a product could be improved upon. I think Yo…

Okay, but the problem here is you're making a moral statement based on what YouTube is, making it an is-ought problem. Youtube ought to share the message of a president who incited a riot and tried to overthrow a democratic election, because it is blocking it.

You're not addressing why YouTube is blocking it or the state of it's own rights as a private platform, just making blanket moral statements about opinion.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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You don't think people could believe non-sense?

I do. I know lots of people who believe things I believe are nonsense. You won't see me going around saying they should be censored.

Yeah but are you going to print out all their insane bs in gigantic lettering and put it on signs on your lawn and the exterior walls of your house? You going to print it on tshirts and wear them to work or out in public?

There’s a difference between letting people think and say what they want, vs letting them use you as a megaphone.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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After the mid-terms, any Section 230 protection these companies have is going bye-bye. Any kind of active moderation of perfectly legal speech through 'terms of service'/'community standards' will remove any common-carrier liability shield. Actions like this have turned this into political red meat for some. These companies really need to learn how to read the room. Ratcheting downward the ability of people to freely…

Why would the midterms do this?
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