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Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by anderspitman »

rland wrote: post #64
floren wrote: post #36

These applications look really pretty and all, but for my selfish purposes, I just really want real goddamn scrollbars back. I use a mouse that doesn't have a scroll wheel, but for the life of me I've been unable to figure out how to make applications like Firefox just give me a real scroll bar on the side of the window that's thick enough to grab without fiddly pixel-hunting.

I found a solution for Firfox on Ubuntu MATE: 1. go to about:config 2. find widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override 3. Change to some pixel value (I have mine set at 26). voila! I do not understand why the default is so thin. Really bucks the trend of every UI element being touch-screen large nowadays!

I should have just kept reading. When I saw the parent comment it got me thinking I really should see how easy it is to change the scrollbar size in Firefox. Took me a few minutes to find exactly the instructions you shared.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by noisem4ker »

867-5309 wrote: post #88
dkarl wrote: post #59

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Unlabeled icons are terrible. I use Gmail more than any other application outside of dev tools like my editor and my terminal, and I use every single one of the message operations (archive, snooze, add as task, report spam, etc.) at least occasionally. After a month with a new work Gmail account I realized I was still waiting for the tooltip to pop up before clicking the buttons, just to make sure of what I was click…

it's made worse by the fact that tooltips are unavailable for mobile users

The convention for mobile UIs is that tooltips show up upon long pressing the buttons. Unfortunately, sometimes that does nothing, or something else entirely (e.g. start dragging).

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by nedt »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #431
rjzzleep wrote: post #408

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libAdwaita is an attempt at providing a consistent framework for making GUI applications in Linux. People commenting on MacOS UX often forget that people creating Mac GUI applications aren't magically better at doing UX than Linux users. It's orders of magnitude easier to make ok looking GUI applications on a mac. Besides the fact that cocoa on mac has evolved over a decade(when linux people were busy constantly rein…

> Besides the fact that cocoa on mac has evolved over a decade Arguably longer -- Cocoa itself goes back to NextStep in the mid-90s, and the Mac focus on UX goes back a decade before that. But, I don't think it's just the books -- starting with the NextStep era, the tooling (Xcode and, before that, Interface Builder) was part of it, and the whole "follow the Human Interface Guidelines" ethos going back to the 68K Mac…

Yes MacOS and Cocoa is just Nextstep. Not only are the classes called NSSomething, but there is a presentation from early 90ies of the dev environment by Steve Jobs and the Interface Builder etc look very similar to Xcode.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by dredmorbius »

einr wrote: post #461
yellowapple wrote: post #365

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> If the thin widget is directly against the edge of the viewport, maybe. It is. Visually there's space between the scroll handle and the window edge, but if you actually point the cursor in that space it'll highlight the handle.

This feels pretty weird on macOS in a way I never realized, because I thought you were wrong but you're actually right -- you can slam the cursor right against the right edge of the screen and the scroll handle lights up and you can click and drag it if you start an up/down mouse motion -- but the cursor changes to the left-right resize one and if you start by moving left/right it resizes the window instead and the s…

NB: Trying on MacOS now, if I'm on a browser page in Firefox positioned within the display (other than at the right edge) and hit the right edge of the screen, the scrollbar does NOT in fact light up or activate.

If I have a window positioned to the right edge of the screen ... the scrollbar is draggable only when my mouse pointer is positioned directly over the scroll grabber. Not when pushed to the edge of the screen.

This seems to apply generally for windows best I can tell.

TL;DR: The behaviour you describe is not at all what I see.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by yellowapple »

dredmorbius wrote: post #568
einr wrote: post #461

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This feels pretty weird on macOS in a way I never realized, because I thought you were wrong but you're actually right -- you can slam the cursor right against the right edge of the screen and the scroll handle lights up and you can click and drag it if you start an up/down mouse motion -- but the cursor changes to the left-right resize one and if you start by moving left/right it resizes the window instead and the s…

That may work on MacOS. It ... doesn't work for any Linux desktop, most especially those using Focus Follows Mouse (certainly for strict, often for lazy) policy. Though that's useful to know.

On KDE the cursor shape aspect doesn't match macOS (in the sense that if it's showing a resize cursor, it'll resize the window, no matter what), but per my comment further up the chain it'll absolutely work if it's just a normal cursor but between the handle and the edge of the window. Tried it on both Firefox and Konsole (which are subtly different due to Gtk v. Qt quirkiness but have the same behavior).

Though I'm using click-to-focus, not focus-follows-mouse, so YMMV.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by einr »

dredmorbius wrote: post #575
einr wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels pretty weird on macOS in a way I never realized, because I thought you were wrong but you're actually right -- you can slam the cursor right against the right edge of the screen and the scroll handle lights up and you can click and drag it if you start an up/down mouse motion -- but the cursor changes to the left-right resize one and if you start by moving left/right it resizes the window instead and the s…

NB: Trying on MacOS now, if I'm on a browser page in Firefox positioned within the display (other than at the right edge) and hit the right edge of the screen, the scrollbar does NOT in fact light up or activate. If I have a window positioned to the right edge of the screen ... the scrollbar is draggable only when my mouse pointer is positioned directly over the scroll grabber. Not when pushed to the edge of the scre…

This is a Firefox bug which has been open for years and years with no fix. Try it with native apps like Finder or Terminal. Absolutely works for me on Big Sur.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by dang »

Arnavion wrote: post #347
goodpoint wrote: post #168

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The idiotic silent downvotes are unnecessary.

This board has a real hate-boner for the PinePhone for some reason. Any phone that isn't 100% as capable as a flagship iOS or Android gets defined as "not ready to be a daily driver", because people think their definition of "daily driver" is some universal constant that everyone abides by. The rest of us who happily use it as a daily driver apparently don't exist in their worldview. Already in this subthread there's…

> This board has a real hate-boner for the PinePhone for some reason

What a strange thing to say. It's hugely popular on HN.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by Arnavion »

dang wrote: post #578
Arnavion wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This board has a real hate-boner for the PinePhone for some reason. Any phone that isn't 100% as capable as a flagship iOS or Android gets defined as "not ready to be a daily driver", because people think their definition of "daily driver" is some universal constant that everyone abides by. The rest of us who happily use it as a daily driver apparently don't exist in their worldview. Already in this subthread there's…

> This board has a real hate-boner for the PinePhone for some reason What a strange thing to say. It's hugely popular on HN. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

That doesn't change what I said.
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