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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by refurb »

klyrs wrote: post #561
throwawaysea wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good point and if this law were enforced fairly and equally across all political causes, I would support it. Infrastructure is not, in my view, appropriate for political persuasion. It feels coercive in the same way ironically, that vaccine mandates are. However, I worry that often times these laws are enforced by whoever is in power in a one-sided manner. This was definitely the case in Seattle - we had a…

No, you don't seem to get it. This is happening in Canada . The laws here are different from Seattle . The question of how this law is enforced has zero application to the BLM protests stateside. GoFundMe has made the choice to operate in Canada, and they're going to make inconsistent-looking decisions because the laws simply aren't the same on both sides of the border.

No. Arson, attacking police and forcefully occupying a public space are all illegal in Seattle too. Pretty sure arson is a felony. Someone was murdered in CHAZ.

Your theory doesn’t check out.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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stjohnswarts wrote: post #560
throwawaysea wrote: post #249

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The thing is BLM protesters broke laws. They started fires, destroyed businesses, trapped drivers in tunnels, attacked police, set fires in people’s homes, and declared an autonomous zone that claimed to secede from the country - and this is just from my city. GoFundMe happily allowed them to be funded while Facebook and Twitter happily allowed them to organize. Driving trucks and using the roads as they are meant to…

But they didn't tho. The people that did that were criminals taking advantage of the situation and lack of police. BLM protestors where nonviolent except when police tried to push them back and silence them. Sure they took over areas, but that's what happens during social movements. The damage was greatly exaggerated unrealistically by right wing news media.

So the same as this protest? The violence is by criminals taking advantage of the situation. They are nonviolent except when the police try and push them back.

I’m going to guess you don’t think that because you don’t like the goals behind this protest?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by defaultname »

refurb wrote: post #569
defaultname wrote: post #562

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It's hypocritical because of something you imagined? Why would a sit-in, or any similar event, EVER need sponsorship? When has it ever needed sponsorship?

Very impressive dodge of the question. Let’s say a sit in did need support. Do you think that’s a valid use of GoFundMe?

Is this what your rhetoric is reduced to? Demanding that people answer for invented, imaginary hypocrisy? I didn't "dodge" a completely stupid, manufactured question because I have literally no onus to answer it.

GFM shouldn't be used to sponsor *ANY* protest. I've said that REPEATEDLY, and consistently. A protest that needs sponsorship is not a legitimate protest.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by klyrs »

refurb wrote: post #571
klyrs wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you don't seem to get it. This is happening in Canada . The laws here are different from Seattle . The question of how this law is enforced has zero application to the BLM protests stateside. GoFundMe has made the choice to operate in Canada, and they're going to make inconsistent-looking decisions because the laws simply aren't the same on both sides of the border.

No. Arson, attacking police and forcefully occupying a public space are all illegal in Seattle too. Pretty sure arson is a felony. Someone was murdered in CHAZ. Your theory doesn’t check out.

Are those acts defined as terrorism in that jurisdiction?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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multjoy wrote: post #269
Mikeb85 wrote: post #250

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> "Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists." > He didn't. This is absurd. https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1488660359422648320... He did. Also said it a bunch of times in person.

Was he wrong, though?

You should read this article and make up your own mind:

https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night...

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by refurb »

klyrs wrote: post #574
refurb wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Arson, attacking police and forcefully occupying a public space are all illegal in Seattle too. Pretty sure arson is a felony. Someone was murdered in CHAZ. Your theory doesn’t check out.

Are those acts defined as terrorism in that jurisdiction?

Does it matter?

I’d assume the penalty for funding felony arson and murder aren’t that different from funding terrorism.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwaway894345 »

defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

> And it's interesting how exactly the same group of people lamenting the paying of bail for BLM protesters are falling in line with rights for this trucker group to harass and occupy Canadian cities.

The inverse is also true, and at least in the more recent case people can point to the earlier BLM precedent. I.e., “if the platform can be used to fund BLM protests, then it can be used to fund trucker protests”. If GoFundMe didn’t want their platform to be used for this kind of thing, they should be mindful of the precedents they set.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by refurb »

defaultname wrote: post #573
refurb wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very impressive dodge of the question. Let’s say a sit in did need support. Do you think that’s a valid use of GoFundMe?

Is this what your rhetoric is reduced to? Demanding that people answer for invented, imaginary hypocrisy? I didn't "dodge" a completely stupid, manufactured question because I have literally no onus to answer it. GFM shouldn't be used to sponsor *ANY* protest. I've said that REPEATEDLY, and consistently. A protest that needs sponsorship is not a legitimate protest.

You realize the Civil Rights movements in the US had substantial fundraising? The March to Selma? How do you think people were fed? Where did they sleep?

So by your logic the Civil Rights movement was not legitimate?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwaway894345 »

klyrs wrote: post #485
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

A missing piece of this is Canada's Bill C51 [1], which characterizes interference with critical infrastructure as terrorism . A significant difference between CHAZ/CHOP and these protests is the legal context. Looters bad, rah rah, but GoFundMe doesn't want to touch (legally-defined-as) terrorists with a 10 foot pole. But C51 was passed with an eye towards stopping anti-pipeline protests, and conservative Canadians…

I wonder how partisan this anti-mandate resistance is. My gut tells me it enjoys a lot of support from conservatives but also a healthy amount of support from a lot of moderates and a huge swath of the working class regardless of party affiliation.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by throwaway894345 »

6d6b73 wrote: post #233
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

It's a protest not an occupation

If you want people to characterize something as a “protest” you’re going to need a lot more arson and looting. :)
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